Goji Berry Update

June 18, 2007

I receive plenty of comments, questions, and feedback to an earlier post about Growing Goji Berries so I thought it was about time for an update on the progress of my Goji Berry plants.

I would also recommend that anyone interested in the topic browse the Goji Berry comments for advice and helpful information provided by other backyard Goji Berry growers.

Goji Berry Trials…

Dormant Goji Berry Plant.thumbnail Goji Berry UpdateTo begin my Goji Berry trial update, I have to admit that the Goji Berry plants that were originally planted last fall did not survive the winter and had to be replaced this spring. I’m not sure what went wrong as I followed the planting instructions supplied by the grower (really, I did!!), and planted them in the ground shortly after they arrived late last fall.

Fortunately after sending a brief e-mail, Timpanogos Nursery was kind enough to replace the Goji seedlings with a couple of their spring potted nursery stock. I received these Goji plants in May and planted them in the same location as the previous plants.

The planting was a lot easier the second time around since I didn’t have to cope with removing sod and excavating hard packed soil. As it turns out things wouldn’t go quite as smoothly for the new Goji Berry seedlings themselves.

… and Goji Berry Tribulations

Once planted, the most important responsibility is to keep the Goji seedlings well watered until they recover from being shipped and transplanted, and are established in their new home in the garden. This was especially critical because at the time we were experiencing warmer than normal weather and very little rainfall.

One morning as I went down to water one of the plants I was shocked to discover Goji Berry leaves scattered about and nothing but a short stump where the day before stood a healthy green Goji plant.

My first thought was to remember a comment from another gardener who had a similar experience with Goji Berries being devoured by some unknown attacker. The second thought that quickly crossed my mind was for revenge as I eyed a small bunny nearby with a guilty look on his face and what I imagined to be a Goji Berry leaf dangling from its mouth.

Goji Plant Security Detail

Despite the previous warning I never would have expected that anything would find young Goji plants to be such a delicacy. The plant had been staked and surrounded by a cylinder of wire garden fencing but that obviously wasn’t enough to protect the seedling from a hungry or mischievous critter.

Caged Goji Berry Plant.thumbnail Goji Berry UpdateI didn’t hold out much hope for the survival of the Goji plant but I decided to continue watering and stepped up the security by employing a double layer of fencing with straw in between to both camouflage and help conserve moisture for what remained of the Goji Berry.

The second Goji is located in a more exposed area of the yard and despite noticing other rabbits in the vicinity, this plant was never bothered even though something did remove and trample the fencing that guarded it.

The lesson that I learned the hard way is that if your goji plants are growing in rabbit, deer, or groundhog territory it’s a good idea to provide the appropriate protection to your young seedlings.

State of the Goji Berries

I have been able to cut back on the amount of watering, and both of the Goji Berry Plants are alive and well. There have been no further attacks and I’ve reduced the threat alert levels as the plants continue to grow and become stronger.

Young Goji Berry Plant.thumbnail Goji Berry UpdateDespite its severe pruning down to the ground, the Goji Berry plant that was eaten has managed to fully recover and rebound with substantial new growth. The funny thing is that it actually looks larger and healthier than the other goji plant that suffered no setbacks.

Not that I’m going to give any credit or thanks to the bunny that I suspect of doing the damage, but I guess the pruning wasn’t entirely bad after all and the Goji plants may be more resilient than the winter-kill experience led me to believe.

The plants are still less than a foot tall, and while I’m not counting on harvesting fresh goji berries anytime soon my Goji Berry plants are showing promises of adapting to my climate and growing into the ornamental, edible, and health promoting plant that I anticipated when I first planted them in the garden!





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Dale Callaway June 21, 2007 at 6:59 am

I planted my goji in soil that drained too well and they looked forlorn until I installed a soaker hose. My problem is the Flea Beetles drilling thousands of tiny holes in the leaves. Maybe we should use these plants as salad, since the critters love them!! (Did you know that Sugar Snap Pea plants are even more delicious than the peas?) One of my Gojis lost all it pale leaves and now is sprouting dark green ones. I garden organically and need advice on dealing with beetles.

Thanks,
Dale

Kenny Point June 21, 2007 at 3:20 pm

Funny you should mention flea beetles, there’s an entry in the works that discusses them and will be posted in the next couple of days. So far they have not bothered my goji berry plants at all. Yes, I did know that pea sprouts are edible and tasty. The young tips of the plants are crisp and sweet with the same flavor that the pods offer.

Steve Siu June 23, 2007 at 2:19 pm

Hi, I got the goji berry plant from the same source that you have. I have planted it indoors, it all seemed very alive until recently. Half of the goji plant’s leaves have fallen off leaving the branch bare. The other goji leaves seem to be very spindly. Is there anything I can do?

Kenny Point June 23, 2007 at 8:43 pm

Steve, I’m not sure what the problem is with your goji berry plant. According to the grower they are suitable for growing indoors in containers. Is you plant receiving enough sunlight? Are you sure that you haven’t been over watering the goji plant? Good luck and let me know how you make out with growing your goji berry plant indoors.

Rob July 25, 2007 at 8:45 pm

Hi Kenny, Back again about my couple hundred goji berry plants. I am in the process of applying for a grant to grow commercially. Any suggestions or info would be most welcomed. Also if you have any suggestions for organic aphid control this would also be helpful. For growing: When overwatered a little these goji plants will begin to yellow quickly and will lose leaves everywhere. It is really hot here during the day so I keep the plants in a shaded area outside (continually) in the one gallon containers. When exposed to this full hot sun they begin to droop quickly. As they are still only 7 months old. Mine are between 1 to 3 feet tall now and have really shot up. As for my couple hundred here, I still need to learn how to package for shipping as I will likely be selling some of them next spring. I began growing these thru the winter and as I mentioned , I had a couple thousand healthy little goji berry plants but due only to lack of space I could transplant just that couple hundred mentioned. My hopes are to get a greenhouse up to grow quite a few more thru the winter and begin selling them the following year. As for growing indoors, goji berries require both window and artificial lighting together for me. My plants are from the wild variety and therefore vary greatly in size, shape, and growth rate. Thank you for your info on the winter delivered plants. I was really wondering about that as spring planting allows the roots to fully establish themselves. The recommended fertilizer is a bit spendy for my blood, do you have any alternative suggestions? If you decide to begin goji plants from seed they are “EXTREMELY FRAGILE” and require constant monitoring of watering and temperature control. It is a real pain, unless you are so lucky as to have everything automated. I would be happy to share photos if you like. Are yours still doing well with the summer heat? Best of luck!

Ataullah Muhammad July 27, 2007 at 10:18 am

ATTN: I want to grow phalsa in GA, but i can not find small trees to grow can you help me? Phalsa is kind of berry its easily grow in India and Pakistan southern.
Thank you

Kenny Point July 27, 2007 at 10:43 am

Phalsa is a small blueberry like fruit that is not common or grown commercially. I don’t know of any sources of seeds or plants but you could check with the California Rare Fruit Growers. Or if you find some of the fruits you can remove the seed and grow the phalsa just like you would a goji berry plant from seed.

Kimey September 23, 2007 at 3:28 pm

Hi Kenny,

Just wanted to let you know that I received my Goji berry plant it was all but dead. I transplanted the pitifull looking thing in a pot with organic composted soil and worm castings. I also fertilized it with Seawater and put it in the sun. Well, to make a long story short the plant grew 3 inches in 5 days and is well formed and spreading out now.
I am not going to plant it in the ground until next year.
I wish you well with your plants.

Thomas Katalenas October 9, 2007 at 12:19 am

Hey I started growing my gojo berry plants from seeds, and They sprouted to about an inch in 3 weeks, but now half of them are dying off! I kept them in doors, getting a mixture of sun light and uv rays, and I water them daily, but I don’t over water-just enough to keep the soil moist. Is there anything you’d recommend? A specific light brand? how much water? How do I save these before it’s too late?

Kenny Point October 9, 2007 at 9:58 pm

Thomas, I have not grown Goji Plants from seed but Timpanogos Nursery recommends that the goji seedlings be fed with a dose of compost when 2″ tall. If you don’t have access to well aged compost I would fertilize the goji plants with a diluted dose of a balanced organic fertilizer in its water. The seedlings should be carefully transplanted into individual containers when they are about 3″ tall but before they reach 5″ in height. The use of special plant grow lights is suggested for plants grown indoors. I have heard from other home gardeners that the goji seedlings can be delicate and a little temperamental.

Jeff Poon October 14, 2007 at 2:36 pm

For those who are interested in growing goji plants:
Every year around late spring or early summer, just visit the Chinese grocery stores and you can find goji plant cuttings in bundles for sale. Buy a bundle and use all the fresh leaves for soup, then cut the stems in sections about 5 or 6 inches each. Find a sunny spot in your backyard and put the bottom end of stems about 2 inches in soil, water regularly. You will have a goji garden in no time. Goji plants need 4 season climate because they need to dorman in winter in order to grow so put them indoor all year will not servive well. If you grow goji by this ‘cutting’ method, you’ll have a lot of goji berries the following year. But if you take the ‘seed’ method, you will not get berries until 3 or 4 year later.

Polina March 13, 2008 at 8:35 pm

This message is for Rob.
Have you tried Repell all made by Bonide to repell all critters? Also use Messenger – harpon protein to boost plants immune system avail Mesenger.info for all plants.
Hope it helps.
Polina

Dan Hoehn May 9, 2008 at 3:36 am

Hello, I don’t consider myself much of a gardener but I did purchase a Goji plant last spring from Timpanogos Nursery and plant it in unamended clayish soil. Since I live in southern MN I wasn’t sure if it would survive our winter. Timpanogos website said it was hardy to about -15F I believe. The plant is about 2 ft tall and starting to leaf out. We had about 3 or 4 days of -22F and several days of -15 to -17F. Hoping to see berries this year. I think our early heavy snowfall helped by insulating the ground. That doesn’t always happen here.

Corey May 29, 2008 at 9:50 am

In addition to responses from Jeff Poon, I took about 12 cuttings from my 2 year old Goji about a week ago. I purchased some rooting hormone and a seed starting dome with peat pots. It has been about a week and it looks like out of the 12 I will have 11 new goji plants. This is 100 times easier than starting plants from seed. I also have 50 seeds started in the same peat pot domes and so far I have 12 plants starting from seed. I now need to find somewhere to place 20+ goji plants, possibly more.

polina May 29, 2008 at 10:58 am

I live in NJ and have a tough time locating asian stores in the area…the one near me does not have goji berry plants , only dried berries.
Need help!.;-)

Kenny Point May 29, 2008 at 8:46 pm

Hey Corey, how about creating a goji berry hedge? You’re spoiling a surprise I’ve been planning on writing an article about just how easy it is to propagate goji berry plants from cuttings! :-) Well at least you’re confirming my secret sources regarding the goji berry cuttings! ;-)

Polina, there’s a link in the article above to a grower that would be happy to sell you a goji berry plant. Or you can look for someone like Corey that has more goji berry plants than he knows what to do with. Also those dried berries at the Asian Market are just loaded with goji berry seeds that will have no difficulty germinating if you just plant them in soil.

polina May 29, 2008 at 9:32 pm

Corey, can I get a goji berry plant or 2 from you?
Looks like you have too many…;-)
Do let me know.

Jeff Poon May 29, 2008 at 9:39 pm

For those who are interested in growing goji berry hedge:
Goji berry is a perfect plant for hedge as its hardy and fast growing. As a matter of fact I have had mine for three year all around the boundry of my backyard. It’s very green and bushy. I created it from cuttings (Please read my previous article). I had a lot of berries last year that lasted me almost a year. What I did was I picked the berries and dried them with a dehydrator (about $40) from Walmart. Then I used a coffee bean grinder to turn them into fine powder. Everyday I mix one teaspoon of goji powder with a cup of hot water and honey. Guess what? By chance I think last year it cured my hayfever which I have had every year from September To November for the past 20 years. I am pretty sure it’s the goji but not 100 percent yet. I’ll just have to wait if the goji will help to rid my hayfever again this September. Wish me luck. I’ll keep you guys posted later this year.

polina May 29, 2008 at 10:14 pm

Jeff, very interesting information.
You, guys got me all excited about growing it. If only I could get a cutting from someone, so I can get it growing this season.
Any volunteers?

Jeff Poon May 29, 2008 at 10:24 pm

To Polina,
I am pretty sure that if you go to New York Chinatown early this summer, you’ll have no problem finding them. Chinese people use them for soup. Here in Toronto, we find it easily in Chinese Grocery Store durint summer. Hope this help.
Jeff

johnnyabnormal August 29, 2008 at 12:13 am

Wow, I didn’t know so many people wanted to to grow these! My experience: I’m a amateur gardner. The type of person who takes any seed and throws it into moist soil to see what happens. I took a few dried Goji berries, cut them all in half and put them 2 inches down in some great potting soil. A few weeks later they were sprouting up. Now they look extremely healthy and are a foot tall. I tried to make sure the soil didn’t dry out (watered about each week) and kept it in a window facing East (in San Francisco). It drooped once when I hadn’t watered it in a while, but bounced back in 12 hours.

david Palmisano September 14, 2008 at 11:28 pm

I am sprouting goji berries inside my house. Does anyone know what I should do next? They’re about an inch tall now. When and how should I transplant??

Polina September 15, 2008 at 7:53 pm

To Jeff Poon,
New York China town isn’t that close to me…and with the tolls and gasoline prices it would cost me a fortune…;-)
I wonder if anyone with Goji berry hedges would be willing to share a cutting or two.

Kenny Point September 15, 2008 at 10:12 pm

David, do your goji berry seedlings have more than one set of leaves? If so I would guess that they are ready to prick out and transplant into individual containers. I’m not sure what area you are in but I wouldn’t set the seedlings outdoors in the ground until springtime because I don’t know how the young goji berry plants would handle winter weather conditions.

David Palmisano September 18, 2008 at 1:13 am

My seedlings only have 1 set of leaves. I live in MIchigan, but I read that goji berry bushes can survive the winters as low as -15 degrees Fahrenheit.

I watered the seedlings with the most ormus saturated thing I have available: bee pollen. 3 teaspoons of bee pollen in a glass of water.

I am trying to get ocean water from Hawaii. That would be good.

Kenny Point September 18, 2008 at 4:09 am

David, I checked the Timpanogos Nursery instruction booklet from a goji berry seed kit and they recommend fertilizing with compost when the seedlings are 2 inches tall and transplanting after the goji seedlings are 3 inches. I would prefer to start the seedlings so that they would be ready to transplant in spring but the instructions indicate that they can be transplanted spring, summer, or fall as long as outdoor temperatures are not below 30 degrees or above 90 degrees. Also be sure that they are hardened off gradually to give the goji plants time to acclimate to outside conditions.

David Palmisano September 18, 2008 at 1:36 pm

Kenny, Thank you. Also, how do you differentiate between wolfberries and goji berries? Are goji berries bigger than wolfberries?

I am growing from berries that I do not want to eat anymore….so it’s not a seed kit.

Kenny Point September 18, 2008 at 2:24 pm

I’m not sure about the differences between wolfberries and goji berries. There also seems to be some differences or variation between various goji berry plants that I’m trying to research and pin down.

Rod September 27, 2008 at 6:59 am

Hello, this is my first time posting here. Kenny, I really like your blog!

I live in Shikoku, Southern Japan, which has a temperature range of about -1 to 34 degrees C.

I planted wolfberries (goji) for the first time this March and again in May after improving my clay soil with rice husks and dead leaves. They have grown tremendously in just a few months and are covered in flowers and little green berries. They are visited by bees, a variety of wasps and butterflies, and a species of leaf beetle and its larvae. The latter is extremely destructive. I tried killing it cigar water which didn’t work, picking parents and children off by hand which works, and spraying with 30/70 milk/water which also seemed to work.

I’ve fertilized my plants with my own urine, directly and mixed with water. This is very easy to apply, and inexpensive.

If wolfberries are up your street, you may also like to try sea buckthorn. I have a male and female of this berry, and although it isn’t doing as well as the wolfberries yet, it is nevertheless surviving.

Rod September 27, 2008 at 7:03 am

Regarding wolfberry and goji, there is some rather confusing info about it here; http://www.gojiberry.com/pages/research8.html

Polina September 27, 2008 at 9:13 am

Watering the plants with urine?
I can’t even imagine the smell around the garden…..
If the urine could work the college campuses would be lavish jungles….

Rod September 27, 2008 at 5:23 pm

If there’s plenty of mulch around the plants, whatever slight urine smell there is doesn’t last more than 10 minutes. However, by way of comparison, the smell of milk spray lasts for several days and is not pleasant. The college campuses I’ve been on generally have a lot of concrete and no mulch, which is why they wouldn’t benefit.

Polina September 28, 2008 at 12:06 am

Male urine generally has a very strong smell, you might have got used to the smell of your own urine. Having mulch around plants only means the mulch is saturated with urine and retain that smell for a long time,…not like it would be just soil that rain washes away the urine and smell.
I don’t know what campuses you visited but here in USA tgey all have a lot of trees, some even gardens and flower beds…however the urine doesn’t improve the growth, on the contrary. Have you ever seen the burned out spots on the grass if animals urinate on it?….Here is the prove that the acid in urine kills the growth, not improves it.

Rod September 28, 2008 at 3:56 am

This is the last I have to say about this, as it isn’t specifically related to wolfberries.
Urine smells differently every day depending on what you’ve eaten and drunk, and this applies equally to females as to males. I’ve been observing this every day for the last 40 years, so I know. Carbon (mulch) absorbs ammonia which is what gives urine its smell. I wouldn’t like to spend any time in my garden if it smelt like the alley behind a pub, a smell you don’t easily get used to.
I have never seen grass or vegetation burned out by urine, and urine is not necessarily acid. It depends what you’ve eaten.
If you don’t like the idea of using urine on your wolfberries, there’s no need for it. Those who are happy to try it and observe the benefits might be pleased with it.

Polina September 28, 2008 at 9:38 am

I had 2 dogs at one time and observed many brown spots on my lawn, obviously you are ill informed about it….or maybe never had pets. We have garden hotline radio programs as well as county sorporate extention for each county to consult on gardening issues…Never ever in my life did I hear them advising on using urine as a fertilizer, or any animal waste…unless it it dehydrated cow manure.There are plenty of wonderful products on the market…have you ever heard of Messenger?…Urine and any excretions belong in a toilet bowl…not ourdoors where they get carried into the underground waters and eventually into the drinking water!!!!!

david palmisano September 28, 2008 at 3:27 pm

To get get off the urine topic for a second, I sprinkled MSM powder on my goji berry sprouts and they are taking off. Sulfur is awesome.

Zhisheng Qing October 24, 2008 at 4:16 pm

I feel sorry for so many ‘Tibetan goji’ followers. Please visit my website go-goji.com to seek truth. I solemnly claim there is no such thing of ‘Tibetan goji’ on the world. None of the Tibetan knows ‘Tibetan goji’ while many of them are acquainted with Ningxia goji. There is no difference between ‘Tibetan goji’ and Chinese wolfberry simply because ‘Tibetan goji’ does not exist! Ningxia China has long history of growing goji. I am born in the zhongning – hometown of goji and I’ve never heard of any ‘Tibetan goji’ in my life. In China it is well known the best goji is produced in Zhongning, Ningxia. Other provinces started to grow goji in late 1990′s. If you ask any Chinese (including Tibetan) no one knows there is ‘Tibetan goji’. I guess only westerners who have little information of goji believe ‘Tibetan goji’.
As a native of the hometown of goji in China, I am enough with this kind of groundless claims. I welcome questions or even debate from anyone, but please review my website go-goji.com first to point out anything that is not correct. For those who intentionlly make up ‘Tibetan goji’ legend for marketing purpose, I have nothing to say. I am here just want to tell the truth. Goji customers, you may have noble motivation to help Tibetans by buying ‘Tibetan goji’, but believe me not even a penny has been earned by Tibetan farmers, you are feeding fat some online goji traders who sell Chinese goji or wolfberry under the name Tibet!

Rex November 12, 2008 at 10:41 pm

Sorry to break it to you Polina, but urine does work. My grandma used to do it for her garden. Her Goji garden was the nicest in town!

Zhisheng Qing November 13, 2008 at 11:33 am

In the hometown of goji, traditionally goji farmers use waste of soybeans or sesame seeds to fertilize goji plants. After oil is squeezed out of soybeans and sesame seeds the left over waste is made in the shape of a big pie, and sold to farmers as fertilizer. I have socked some soybeans in a bucket of water and cover it in hot summer, after a couple of weeks (better after a month or two), I use it to fertilize my garden. It is one of the most effective organic fertilizer I have ever used!

Rod November 13, 2008 at 11:42 pm

My goji are coming along very nicely. I have a good crop of berries. But … goji don’t seem to taste very good raw. They taste a bit like raw eggplant or something. I’ve put a lot of mine in 35 degree alcohol with sugar, and it makes a pleasant aperitif (it probably needs some citrus peel too, or something else to round out the flavour). I’m also going to try drying some.

So what do you other growers do with your berries?

Zhisheng December 18, 2008 at 8:56 pm

Rod,
Actually goji tastes good (sweet with a little sour taste) fresh or dried. I never heard any complaints of goji’s taste in China until I came to US. You are not alone, I heard similar claims from quite a few goji growers here. One of them said he bought ‘authentic Tibetan goji seeds’ as claimed. I am sure they are not goji, at least goji in common sense (edible, have strong health benefits and been used in Chinese herbal medicine for over thousand years). I am not offending somebody but the truth is there is no ‘Tibetan goji’ in the world. I know the internet is filled with misleading goji information and most of them claim ‘Tibetan goji’ (if only this thing exists!) is different from Chinese wolfberries, but even more lies can not change a bit of truth: goji is wolfberry. goji is just another calling of ‘gou chi’ because similar pronunciation. Even in China many people called go-ji. If the berry does not taste good, better not to touch it, who knows how it comes out.
Can you send me a couple of photos of the berry and tree, I might help with your questions.
Please visit my website go-goji.com to find more about goji.

Zhisheng December 18, 2008 at 9:16 pm

Rod,

The link you provided (goji berries vs. wolfberries) tells a big lie. The photo claimed as Tibetan goji looks more like artificial make-up or something. With averge elevation of 5000 meters (15000 feet) barely nothing can grow in that barren highland. If you still have doubt, google ‘goji’ and check it up from some online encyclopedia like wikipedia. There are bunch of responsible reports from researchers to demystify ‘Tibetan goji’. Trust me, those greedy goji sellers intentionally distort the truth, try to make big profit. They sell common goji (or gou chi) under name of ‘Tibet’. I feel disgusted of these liars!
Regarding the shape of goji berry, there are three types: round, long, and between. Round berries are some old cultivars, the berry shape was like that when I was small boy, later after years of selection and breeding program, the dominant cultivar yield long shaped berries. The update cultivars are more high yielding, more tolerant to disease and high in quality.
If there are such a goji farm in Tibet, can you ask them to send you a photo? I guess they have to coax a Chinese man to put on Tibetan costume to take photos in a Chinese wolfberry(goji, or gou qi zi) farm if they treat you seriously…….

Rod December 18, 2008 at 9:55 pm

Zhisheng,

It’s true there’s a lot of rubbish published about goji. The thing about them turning black when touched is nonsense.

I had a look at your site a while back. It’s very informative and persuasive. I also checked out the info on Wikipedia. I emailed you too about getting hold of Chinese cultivars for Japan, but I didn’t hear back (perhaps you didn’t get the mail?)

I have a lot of pics of my goji plants and berries on my blog at http://matsuyama-eco-home.blogspot.com/ Please have a look and see if you can identify the type.

At the moment I’m drying the berries on the electric heater, and my wife is trying to devise recipes that use them. They’re better in cooked food than raw.

Zhisheng December 19, 2008 at 2:01 pm

Hi Rod,
I remember I got one email from you previously and I did respond to you. Something wrong with gmail server?
I took a look at your fresh berries verses the dried berries you bought in Japan. The fresh berries look pretty round, is it very juicy? It looks like a wild variety. I had experience to eat wild goji berries in mountain area in Ningxia when I was teenage. It grows in very dry condition and the soil is not good either, however it can survive that harsh condition and bear small round berries, which taste very juicy and mild sweet, not bitterness. The leaves of wild goji berry tend to be round and much smaller to preserve water as they live in semi desert or desert area. ningxia would be a desert without irrigation. What shape does leaves from your plant have? Just curious if I can take a look at the pictures. i have a picture of wild goji, it is stored in my office PC, I share with you if you like.
If your plant is wild goji, i would like to attribute the bitterness of the berries to the environment. I would say even the cultivated goji taste different if put them in different environment. Goji likes strong solar radiation and less rainfall, less sun could be the reason of its bitterness. This is only my guess since I have not seen your goji plant.
How is the climate in your area? My impression is Japan has oceanic climate which features abundant rainfall and mild temperature in winter and fewers sunny days. If you live in a place like this, it is not easy to grow goji well.
Thank you for visiting my website, please let me know if you have other questions.

Jason

jeason murphy May 25, 2009 at 11:27 am

Growing gojis is the pacific Northwest. I have some kind of white mold or fungus coating the leaves and killing them. Any thoughts? Thank you.

Rich Tompkins June 25, 2009 at 1:57 pm

Lightly Sprinkle entire plant, and soil, with “ground cinnamon.” This will kill most fungus, and help prevent damping-off disease.

Dan July 20, 2009 at 11:33 am

I’m a newbie to Goji growing but a long time farmer grower. I started my plants from dried Goji I purchased at Whole foods. My plants are a week old, I sad I was a newbie. They came up very fast. I noticed that many of the blogs I read are having problems with rabbits, I have a solution to that problem. A water sprinkler that turns on when it senses anything in its path. A few companies make them, Havahart is one. It works great for me with ground hogs and it waters my plants at the same time.

Justine July 22, 2009 at 8:32 am

Hello Kenny,This site is invaluable and the comments from everyone are very helpful! I am new here to the Goji world and would love to buy some seedlings to grow myself at home – however your supplyer Timpanogos Nursery is no longer in business (or at least their phone# is out of service). I will try what Dan said and buy some from Whole Foods. I am very excited and will keep you updated on the progress…

Thanks again!

Steve August 31, 2009 at 6:27 am

Hello Kenny and all who are posting on here. This is such a great resource. I live in New England (Rhode Island) and it looks like I can actually grow these plants. Is there anyone in my area that has some cuttings that I could get.. Or does anyone know of a good source in New England to get some? If not, I guess I’ll try growing them from seed. Will they actually keep there leaves if they are in a pot inside during the winter? Just wondering if august is too late to start plants from seed.

Thanks!

Jason August 31, 2009 at 8:43 am

Steve,
I think you still can grow from seeds in August as long as you can keep the seeding pots warm in your greenhouse or indoors. When the plants grow to 10 inches, i suggest you lower temperature to allow them to enter dormancy (leaves will fall off). I think goji need certain time for winter dormancy to stimulate next year’s growth. Last fall I put a pot of goji bush indoors and watch it grow. It did very well until late December when it start to shed leaves, it stay there half alive half dead until spring when new leaves buds start to appear. However its growth can never match with other plants what went through dormancy. It was still very short in July. I guess goji is like a man who needs sleep at night, without a good sleep (dormancy) it just can’t work at its best to grow and yield.

Rich Tompkins August 31, 2009 at 5:32 pm

Hello again Kenny, Two and a half years ago we started about 200 Goji plants, from Da Ma Ye Goji Seed. We germinated these seed in small, Jiffy Pot Green Houses, and then transplanted the sprouts into 1 gallon (organically fertilized) containers. These plants were kept in semi-shade for the first 6 months, and then gradually moved into direct sunlight. They produced many leaves, and flowers, the first year, but no berries. While dormant, the plants were left outside, subjected to all the elements, excessive rain (60 + inches), and a strange late “double frost.” Only about half the Goji broke dormancy. The rest suffered from “root rot” and died. The second year was similar. With about 60 inches of rain, only 90 plants made it through their second year, and into dormancy. Half of those came out of dormancy. I have now transplanted planted 18 of the survivors in my yard (that’s all I had room for), and we have either sold (to support our mission), or given the rest away. I am happy to report that all 18 plants are now putting on new stems, and leaves, and looking very healthy. I hope to at least get them to “flower” before October. I will try to put new pictures in our GojiTrees.com , ‘Goji Picture Gallery’ asap. At the present time, we can only imagine how sweet it must be to eat a fresh harvested Goji berry. We can hardly wait. Until then, we use the next best thing.:)

Rich Tompkins August 31, 2009 at 7:21 pm

Dear Goji Friends,

As I read your post, I see your interest in planting “rooted cuttings” from the Goji Tree, to speed up the growing process. There is an old Arkansas proverb that says “It doesn’t pay to get in a hurry.” Please keep in mind that a “rooted cutting” will not produce a ‘tap root.’ The True Goji Tree is renowned for its mighty tap root. The rare nutrient “Germanium,” a cancer inhibiting agent (shrinking tumors in rats), is found in the ‘tap root’ of the Goji Tree. How many other nutrients are lost when you sacrifice the tap root for expediency? It is like a house built upon the sand. Without a tap root, even a slight wind can up-root, and kill, a mature Goji Tree. Then all will be lost. Is a Goji, without a tap root, still a Goji? How do you know? Has anyone tested a “tap rootless” Goji Tree for “nutrient loss?” Until someone does, GojiTrees.com will stick with growing “Seedlings.” We have and endless supply of traditional Da Ma Ye Goji Seed (Ancient Traditional Chinese Medicine), and with proper nursing, the strongest of the strong will survive.

Rod August 31, 2009 at 8:44 pm

Oh no! First we had to worry if our goji berries actually came from the Magic Valley of Tibet, now we must be sure to ask the seller if they are Tap Root Certified goji berries. Where will this end?

I tore off some branches from my wolfberry trees and stuck them in soil mixed with compost, and they’re doing very well, in spite of not being watered very attentively. I daresay that they’ll be most deficient in Germanium, but sometimes I like looking at plants without torturing myself over what nutrients they may be lacking.

Rich Tompkins August 31, 2009 at 9:21 pm

Dear Rod, Don’t Worry! Be Happy! Just grow your own Goji! I too can appreciate the beauty of the noble Goji. Just check out the beautiful pictures at: http://www.GojiTrees.com . However, as a disabled old man, with diabetes, and cronic heart failure, I am far more interested in the medicinal (nutritional) value of the plant. Ever since the dried “Ningxia” Goji berry cured my cronic gastritis 4 years ago (a condition I had suffered with for more than 25 years), I have been totally focused on trying to understand, and grow this wonderful, Traditional Chinese Medicine. I must say, it has been a real education in natural healthcare. The more I use this herb, the healthier I get. I am always happy to share what I have learned about this amazing medicinal herb, with anyone who has ears to hear, at no charge. Warmest Regards,

Jason August 31, 2009 at 10:49 pm

Rich,
I totally understand your concern of losing Germanium when growing goji from cuttings. However there are far more advantages than disadvantages to grow goji from cuttings:
1. Good cultivar can only be propagated using cuttings. Like NQ-1, the best way to propagate this cultivar is to start from cuttings. If starting from seeds, you will have mixture of varieties for next generation. Though there are some NQ-1 plants but you need wait until flowering time (2-3 years) to pick them out.
2. Growing goji from cuttings can greatly save time. Cuttings taken from a goji tree at yielding age can grow to bear berries the same year. For example, if you take cuttings from a 3-year-old tree in the spring, once the cuttings grow roots and get established, new shoots come from the cuttings will bear flower buds and yield berries in late summer or fall.
Due to advantages stated above, in primary goji production province Ningxia, cuttings propagation method is widely adopted and seedling propagation method has been discarded.

Nearly all parts of a goji plant has medicinal value – the leaves, the flower, the berries, the bark and roots. The only advantage to stick with seedling might be Germanium consideration. But if you want to use roots, you have to sacrifice berries and leaves because the plant would die without roots.

One more comment, goji without tap root is still goji. As I mentioned probably 90% of goji we are consuming were picked from trees that were grown from cuttings. We never doubt its medicinal value. Goji plant grown from cuttins have lateral roots which will support the plant. Goji roots grow very fast given the soil and water combination is right. Excessive water will cause root rots or shallow root distribution, in semi-arid and arid regions more vertical roots would develop to penetrate sub layer of soil to extract water.

polina August 31, 2009 at 11:07 pm

Can anyone here give me couple cuttings from their Goji tree?
I don’t seem to be able to find it in my area.

Jason September 1, 2009 at 11:50 am

Regarding the medicinal use of goji’s roots, here is a brief translation of an online Chinese herb medicine book:
Di-Gu-Pi (earth born skin) is a name of dried skin of goji roots in Chinese herb medicine. It is harvested in either early spring or late autumn. First dig out and clean the roots, then peel the skin off, cut into 2-5 cm pieces, dry it out in cool and dry place. The major function of Di-Gu-Pi is as following:
1. cure whooping cough accompanied with blood
2. cure blood spitting, blood urine
3. cure excessive sweating due to weak constitution.
This is a very brief and simplified translation, so please do not consider this is a prescription. Using Chinese herb medicine requires a lot of training and experience, especially when combining different herbs in the treatment.
One thing very interesting is Di-Gu-Pi is not necessarily taken from tap roots. In the experiment to test Germanium’s cancer inhibiting function, was the tap root used as material due to its bulky volume and conclusion was made Germanium was found in tap root, or both side roots and tap roots were tested and only tap root was confirmed to contain Germanium?
It sounds unreasonable that certain chemical exists in goji’s tap root not in side roots. I think the only difference might be in amount due to difference in mass of the roots.

Ruth Hall September 1, 2009 at 2:21 pm

I live in Indiana and have a 3 yr. old goji. Last year it had a few blooms but bloomed too late (it seemed) for the berry to develop fully. This year, it is covered with blooms and the berries are developing but are so tiny that I am concerned that they will not reach maturity. It’s the first of Sept. will frost stop their development? Should I try to build a plastic “tent” over it? I feel like a mother hen, I know so little about these plants and information is not easy to come by. I have learned a lot reading these comments. Thanks.

Jason September 1, 2009 at 4:22 pm

Ruth,
Yes you can try to put a greenhouse to protect your plant from the first frost. However while greenhouse can raise up temperature it also keep too much moisture which is not welcomed by goji plants – mildew may develop and your berries may go black (very common problem in humid environment). I am just curious why your plant bloom so late, how big is the berry? Berries from my first year goji tree (cultivar NQ-1) has average size of 1 to 1.5 cm (half inch) and I expect to see they will become larger next year (see pictures on my website go-goji.com). Is your plant thorny or not?

Ruth Hall September 2, 2009 at 6:09 pm

I take it they are pretty sensitive to cold? When is the normal blooming time? The only berry I had last year was about 1/2″ and it never turned red. My plant is thorny. I read somewhere that they like an alkaline soil. Mine had some yellow leaves a few week ago, I checked the soil and it was somewhat acid so I added some lime and then have been watering it with egg shells soaked in water a couple of days. It’s a pretty green now so I feel it helped. Could the acid soil cause it to bloom late? I think I will try to figure out a way to cover it with plastic and then uncover it later in the day. Thanks for your help. I’ve had a hard time getting information.

Rich Tompkins September 3, 2009 at 8:44 am

Ruth, It is our understanding that the Goji Tree can withstand temperatures down to -16 degrees fahrenheit, and up to 104 degrees F. I have also read that the Goji Tree needs to “freeze” to truly go dormant. Perhaps Jason can clear this up for us.

Rich Tompkins September 3, 2009 at 8:50 am

Ruth, “acis soil” can cause the Goji Tree NOT to bloom. Goji loves High PH >8.2 -9. I use simple lime pellets to raise PH.

Jason September 3, 2009 at 10:06 am

Ruth, I posted a reply to your message last night but it doesn’t show up, weird.

Rich is right, goji can tolerate very cold temperatures in winter and very hot temperatures in summer. But when temperatures drop below 10 C (50 F), its growth starts to slow down and eventually enter dormancy when daily average temperatures remains 5 C (41 in Fahrenheit). Yes freeze will happen at night when average daily temperature is about 5 C.

Goji generally likes alkaline soil and grow the best when pH is 7-8. Modern cultivars can tolerate even higher pH. But goji can also grow in mild acid soil – in goji growing provinces not all soils have pH>7. Here in my goji garden (Des Moines, Iowa) the pH showed on detailed US soil survey map is 6.0-6.5, and I added some compost manue to fertilize the soil so I guess the soils should be kind of acid but my goji trees bloomed in June and berries got ripe in July.

Almost every one knows goji prefers to alkaline soil but very little research was done to quantify the goji yield loss due to high pH value, I consulted with Chinese goji experts but they could not provide reliable data either. My theory is rather attributing goji’s poor performance to soil acidity, let’s look at the other important environmental variable which is closed related to soil acidity – rainfall. In either US or China, in regions with abundant rainfall, the soils tend to be clayey and silty, resulting in poor drainage.

On the other hand, in areas with less rainfall soils are usually more sandy with better drainage. Clayey loamy soils usually bear lower pH value, while sandy soils, especially exposed to high solar radiation, often shows high pH value. If you look at US soil pH maps, you will understand what I am talking about – wet regions have lower soil pH while dry areas have higher pH value. This is only my presumption which needs validation, but to me, if the soil is good in drainage, rich in nutrients, and weather is not too wet, I might not worry too much about soil pH when growing goji.

Ruth Hall September 3, 2009 at 12:44 pm

Thanks guys for all the info. My soil is clayey but it has good drainage, it’s on a slope. It’s planted next to a chain-link fence and I would like to plant the goji’s all along the fence. I’m pretty sure I got this plant from a Jung seed catalog. I put it in the ground 3 years ago and didn’t pay too much attention to it. Really didn’t know what to do with it. I think I should have pruned it but I thought it was supposed to be a vine. Now I hear that it can be a vine, tree, or bush. Wonder what the most productive form is? Indiana has plenty of cold weather to freeze into dormancy. But we also have droughts and this year an exceptionally wet year and many cloudy days and a cool, wet, extended spring. Doesn’t sound like great goji weather. I was just looking at it and it is just full of hundreds of blooms and tiny berries about the size of a BB. How long does it take the berry to develop? It is being polinated by many bumblebees. (We’re having some honeybee shortages around here but apparently not bumblebees.) If I get more gojis do you think I should order them from somewhere else? I think I would like to dry some of the leaves for tea this winter, will this hurt the plant? Rich, are the lime pellets slow-release? When and how many do you use? I have been rather cautious about digging amendments in as I didn’t want to damage the roots. I really would like to save all these little berries if I could. I did read about not touching the berries because they would turn black and shaking the bush/vine over burlap to collect the ripe berries. How do you harvest them? Sorry about all the questions but there is so much I’d like to know. Thanks.

Jason September 9, 2009 at 2:55 pm

Ruth,
It does not hurt goji tree for you to harvest some leaves, especially from branches with very few flowers. Is your goji tree still blooming or berries start to turn red? Depending on weather you might have 20-30 days of above freeze temperatures, you are done with this season when temperature drops close to freeze or below freeze.
Not touching goji berries is just non-sense! Goji berries turn to black because a fungus disease, it is called goji black-fruit disease, which was well studied and described in China. Due to wet and cool season this year in the Midwest, my goji trees also caught this problem, many became black even though I never touched them. I use garlic extract to control mildew problem in my goji garden.

Ruth Hall September 9, 2009 at 5:57 pm

Jason,
My goji is still blooming and the berries are still so small I can hardly see them. I have a feeling they are not going to make it. Maybe next year we will have an early spring. I got some lime pellets and I’m wondering if I should spread them around the plant or just dig them in lightly? Would it be just as good now to wait until the plant goes dormant? Thanks so much for your help.

Jason September 10, 2009 at 9:05 am

Ruth,
I share the same concern with you – it is too late if the berries are still very small. My personal suggestions: pick leaves and flowers as much as you can now, leaves and flowers are also very good stuff, at least you can harvest leaves and flowers.
I doubt adding any lime pellets would stimulate goji to bloom early, as I mentioned soil acidity is not a restricting factor for goji flowering time. Seriously I am concerned with what cultivar you may have. As you live in IN as major corn growing state, here is an example: you can not grow corn of CRM 118 in your zone simply because accumulated temperature units in your region can not meet requirement for its growing and development. While in TX, GA where growing season is much longer, Growing CRM 118 is not a concern. I think same situation applies in your case.
Since your goji just start blooming, it implies it might be a variety originated from the south, where did you buy the plant and what did they say? Common Lycium Barbarum are grown in northern China, with similar latitute with IN, IA, PA, NE, OR and Northern CA, growing Lycium Barbarum should not be a problem in IN. Can you send me one photo of your plant (to zhisheng.qing@gmail.com), you can view photos of my goji on go-goji.com to see any difference with yours.
Once more, I call all goji growers, take it seriously to select cultivar/variety when start to growing goji, don’t accept anything available, due to lack of knowledge, much of information passed in North America goji community is either false or invalid.

Rich Tompkins September 11, 2009 at 11:38 am

Dear Ruth & Jason,

I first started growing Goji about 5 years ago, when I purchased 2 live plants from Timpanogos Nursery Online. Although I never knew exactly what “cultivar” they were (I was told they were from Tibet), one plant did produce 2 very small berries the first year. This leads me to believe it was a rooted cutting from some unknown cultivar. The second year, excessive rainfall caused these two plants to rot at the root, and die. The good news is, I now have 16, 3 year old Goji Trees, and 2, 4 year old Goji Trees, planted in an 80 ft row, along my back yard fence. I have raised these plants from “Da Ma Ye” Lycium Barbarum/Goji Seed, which I Imported from Zhongning County, of the Ningxia Province of China. So far my Goji Trees have produced many leaves, and a few flowers, but no fruit. My soil is a mixture of sand and clay, mixed with organic humas, peat moss, and perlite. I have also applied “sea weed” and “fish emulsion” fertilizer for additional nitrogen, and nutrients. Before applying “lime pellets” my soil PH was around 7. While this is already on the “high,” or alkaline side, I have read that the soil PH in Ningxia China is >8.2 and above. I am sure Jason can confirm this. Ruth, The lime pellets I used to raise my PH are called “Quick Release” by “Signature Series.” It is recommended that you not use more than 5/lbs lime pellets, per 100 sq ft. We can do the math for more, or less. I simply worked the pellets into the soil with my “Garden Weasel,” and watered (soaked) them in. I can’t say for certain that it was the addition of the lime, but shortly after applying the lime pellets (within this past week), my Goji Trees began to bud, and bloom, with tiny purple, and white flowers, for the first time this year.They are beautiful!! Needless to say, we are thrilled. We will be posting new pictures on our website at http://www.GojiTrees.com very soon. I suspect it’s too late for any “berries” to produce this season, but the new buds, and flower growth, give us great hope that we will have fresh Goji berries in Arkansas next year. Warmest regards, Rich

Ruth Hall September 11, 2009 at 12:50 pm

Jason,
I ordered my Goji from a J.W. Jung seed catalog, the nursery is located in Randolph, WI. However, I ordered it 3 yrs ago and do not have that catalog. This year’s catalog lists Wolfberry (Lycium barbarum cv.Ningxia #1 Crimson Star, also known as Goji berry) I can’t be sure that is what I received before but I think it is. It says the flowers appear in May and also says this variety is grown commercially in northern China. The hardiness zones are shown as 6-10. According to their map, I am in zone 5. I used to be in zone 6. Their map is configured differently than the ones I’m used to. Have our zones changed? I went out this AM and picked a lot of leaves, I left the flowers alone because the bees were having such a good time. I also noticed that a couple of the berries were starting to turn red but are only about 4 cm. I took some pictures but will have to scan them to you as my current camera is not able to download to my computer or printer. It will take awhile. I have some Jeruselum artichokes that are just now beginning to bloom. They are about 2 mos. later than usual so maybe it is just the weather conditions. I want to get some more Goji’s do you think the one listed above from Jung would be ok or is there a better choice? Thanks so much for your help. Ruth

Ruth Hall September 11, 2009 at 1:05 pm

Rich,
Thanks for the info. If I get more goji’s I will try to amend my soil some. I have fish emulsion and was considering using that. I think the bottle says use every 2 weeks, is that what you do? When I added about a cup of lime powder about 6 weeks ago, it sure seemed to make a big difference in the appearance of mine. I have noticed that some of my shoots have over 3′ of new growth. It seems like a happy plant. Maybe since you are having the same experience as mine (late blooming)and my plant seems to be about at the same stage (age) as yours, maybe it just takes them a while to get regulated. Hopefully next year we will both have berries! I will check our your website. Ruth

Jason September 11, 2009 at 2:03 pm

Ruth,
This is a very good discussion. I really like it because I can learn a lot from this forum. You are absolutly right of your comment on this year’s weather. This year has a very unique season with record low summer temperatures in Midwest and northern territories. This explains delay of flowering time and maturity date for many crops. I’ve never heard adding lime pellets can stimulate flowering. But as Rich experiment has proven it, this leads me believe some minerals in garden lime may be helping to enrich the soil. My goji flowered and ripened at right time despite that soil pH value here is less than 7 come to see photos at: http://go-goji.com/No1.aspx. You can apply garden lime to see if the situation can be improved. It might be too late for this season though.

I have heard of ‘Crimson star’ and checked out information on the website. ‘crimson star’ is claimed to be No1 of Ning-qi, but I am not convinced due to two claims made on their website (One Green World):
1. Pests & Diseases: Wolfberry is not bothered by pests or diseases
2. Bearing Age: 1 -2 years after planting

The first claim is totally misleading, because anyone growing goji knows goji is bothered by garden critters and disease. The second claim is not true either, if the cultivar is No1 of Ning-qi, it must be propagated from cuttings, NQ-1 cuttings should bloom and bear fruits the same year after it is transplanted, you don’t need to wait for several years.

Rich,

I also grown a few goji plants directly from seeds of NQ-1 last summer. I didn’t give them much care because I have NQ-1 plants and I guess if I am lucky a couple of them would grow to NQ-1. Last week to my surprise I found two flowers appears on two of these goji trees. Both are on the newly grown shoots. They are only one year old from seeds! I expect to see more next summer. What I found is trimming is important to stimulate flowering. My wife snapped branches and picked leaves to make tea.

Rod September 12, 2009 at 7:07 pm

Talking of insect pests, do you have any experience with these horrible leaf beetles?
http://www30.atwiki.jp/kuteikai/?plugin=ref&serial=43
They’re very small, dark orange coloured beetles and their young are little slug-like blobs that coat themselves in their own excrement. They will completely strip the leaves off most of a plant leaving just a bare stem (coated with excrement).
I’ve tried tobacco spray, milk spray, and blasting them off with water spray, with mixed effects. Does anybody know of a good remedy?

Jason September 12, 2009 at 10:12 pm

I haven’t got experience with this kind of bug but my goji plants have been bothered with other bugs including ants. Have you ever tried garlic extract? I used it and found it is effective to repel bugs and deal with mildew problems to some extent.
Jason

Diane September 13, 2009 at 6:57 pm

Wow, I am thrilled to read all this discussion on growing Goji Berries….I have a two year old plant that I believe came from Timpanogos Nursery…a co-worker ordered some and I got 1…last year was dismal…thought it might even die…but this year, my goji has given me beautiful little fruit!…I live in central Arizona…Prescott area, summer is hot…winters still get cold…maybe 10 degrees F…I’m just not sure what to do with it now…harvested and ate berries today…maybe 60 or so….saved some for seed…looking forward to adding to my crop next year!

Rich Tompkins September 14, 2009 at 10:57 am

Dear Goji Friends, We are pleased to announce that a “Class Action Lawsuit” has finally been brought against FreeLife International Inc. (creator of the “Tibetan Goji Hoax”), in THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT, District of Arizonia, for “misrepresentation and deception in the marketing and sale of certain products.” You may read the “Complaint” for yourself from this .pdf file on our website. Please help us expose this fraud.
http://www.gojitrees.com/FreeLifeClassActionLawsuit%5B1%5D.pdf

Rich Tompkins September 14, 2009 at 1:11 pm

Dear Goji Friends, With regard to “insects,” Arkansas has them all, even some you may not have heard of. In my short time growing Goji, in the Magazene Mountains of Arkansas, I have learned one thing for certain (to my delight). “All God’s creatures love Goji.” If you don’t defend, and protect your Goji plant, it will be eaten by something (or someone). I have also learned that if you lightly sprinkle “ground cinnamon” on the plant, stem and soil, as soon as the Goji seed sprouts, this will kill most fungi, which causes “damping-off disease,” as well as deter most insects. Simply re-apply after each rainfall.

Jason September 14, 2009 at 1:24 pm

Diane,
Saving seeds from your berries and use them to propagate more plants is not a good idea. Please see go-goji.com for the reason. If you do believe your existing plant is a good one, get cuttings from it and propagate new plants from them.

Rich Tompkins September 14, 2009 at 2:17 pm

Dear Jason, Was original NQ-1 Goji plant started from “cutting,” or “seed?” And, from which cultivar?

Jason September 14, 2009 at 3:08 pm

Hi Rich,
NQ-1 should be propagated from NQ-1 cuttings. However, if you grow NQ-1 seeds, some will turn to NQ-1 plants later. Identification of NQ-1 plants would need some knowledge, of course. That’s why I always say the best way is to start from cuttings of a exceptional cultivar, the second choice is to grow from seeds of a known cultivar. The last thing is to grow from unknown seeds which might be extracted from berries that had been grown from unknown seeds too. After several generations, the performance would greatly degrade, you can have a lush goji bush but may only yield a fraction of those grown from a good cultivar.

Jason September 14, 2009 at 3:13 pm

Rich,
If you are asking how the NQ-1 was developed, the answer is as following:
NQ-1 was developed by many years of crossing and selection from Da-Ma-Ye Excellence (a improved cultivar of Da-ma-ye family). After the cultivar was developed, cuttings were taken to further propagate this cultivar. In China only those areas far away from Ningxia with very limited access to NQ-1 cuttings would start from goji seeds, but the seeds are strictly NQ-1.

Diane September 14, 2009 at 9:55 pm

Jason,
If I am to take cuttings and propagate them, when is the best time (season) to do this? Should I do this before it goes dormant this winter, and nurse them through the winter inside my home? I do have a good location inside with southern expose.

Jason September 14, 2009 at 10:29 pm

Diane,
Thanks for sharing your goji picture with me. The plant is very healthy, but berries are round and small. Definately it is one of the old cultivars. If you update your cultivar to new ones the yield will be doubled or even tripled.

Anyway, if you want to propagate from cuttings, the best time is spring at time when the plants are ready to break dormancy, use sharp knife to collect cuttings (select those strong and vertically growing ones)to cut at 45 degree angle. treat the cuttings with root growth hormone if you like, but not necessary and bury to well drainged and rich soil, fully water the buried cuttings. if you do this work outdoors cover garden film to raise soil temperature and retain moisture. Soil temperature is the key factor. You can wait until tempeature steadily rise to 50 degrees to start. Certainly you can do this job indoors.
One more suggestion: your goji is pretty healthy with a lot of leaf growth, if you can propagte more, it is a good idea to harvest goji leaves to make tea.

Rich Tompkins September 15, 2009 at 11:40 am

My mother was a share-cropper for a cotton farmer in Arkansas. Some of my earliest childhood memories are of riding on her cotton sack, as she pulled it between the rows picking cotton. When I got to be old enough to pull my own cotton sack, mom made me one out of an old flour sack. Mother was also a great gardener. She loved to grow, and “Can” vegitables. As a child I remember her pushing an old “bicycle-wheeled” hand plow to make rows in her large vegitable garden. I found one (old hand plow) just like it a few years ago, in an antique store, and bought it. It has come in real handy in my Goji garden. Mom grew potatos in 55 gallon barrels. At the end of the season she would just push the barrels over, and reap the harvest. This was always a very impressive event. As I recall, mom grew some world class tomatoes, potatos, and every vegitable in between. While she did use a little “Sevin Dust” as a pesticide (bugs are real bad in Arkansas), her only fertilizer was her homemade compost, fish-guts, and rotted cow manure. My mother passed away a few years ago, and I sure am missing her right now. No doubt she could answer some of the gardening questions I still have. Although I know she is in a better place, I sure wish Goji had been around when she was alive. She would most certainly be growing Goji berries, and she might still be alive. Warmest Regards,

Ruth Hall September 16, 2009 at 2:16 pm

Rich, What wonderful memories you have of your mother. I’m wondering how she did the potatoes in the barrel, I’d like to try that! Has anyone had any experience with Neem-Away? I use that ocassionally when I get desperate. It is an oil from the Neem tree and is supposed to be non-toxic and will not harm beneficial insects. I haven’t had to use anything on my Goji as it has not been bothered by anything yet. Ruth

Ruth Hall September 17, 2009 at 2:17 pm

I made a pretty tasty tea with 2 parts goji leaves, 2 parts peppermint, 1 part lemon balm, and 1 part stinging nettle leaves. It’s a little heavy on peppermint so I think I will add 2 more parts of goji.
Can we talk about elderberries? I have been involved in growing elderberries for the past 2 years. They are very effective in preventing the flu and shortening the duration and symptoms when you have it. I just wondered if anyone else has had any experience with them? Ruth

Mike Taylor September 23, 2009 at 11:08 pm

I have had Gojis for a couple of years. They are about 2 to 3′ feet long whips with a lot of berries (but the birds love them). The big issue I have had with them is that they are so subject to powdery mildew… Hope yours thrive!

Jean September 24, 2009 at 9:10 am

My goji bushes are nine feet tall the second year. There are many, many berries although they are really tiny and I am not sure why any info on that?

Ruth Hall September 25, 2009 at 10:31 am

Mike, I think I was on Rich’s website where he said he used garlic spray for powdery mildew. You might check that out. From what I learned on Jason’s website, I think you have to prune them to let light and air through and that would probably help the problem also. I haven’t had too much of a bird problem yet but my biggest little berry went missing and I suspect a bird. If mine ever get big enough to worry about, I will probably cover it with bird netting!

Ruth Hall September 25, 2009 at 10:38 am

Jean, we have had quite a good discussion about plants blooming late and berries being little. Start reading at 58. and I think you will find some answers. Mine are really little this year but at least they did get red (about 4 so far) and I have been able to taste them. They are pleasant tasting. I’m thinking my problem has been the cool weather this year but it may also be the cultivar that I planted. So I am going to get a different cultivar next year but I will keep my 3 yr. old plant to see what happens, and soon will pick more leaves for tea. Where do you live?

polina September 25, 2009 at 10:41 am

Guys,
I had been counting on someone’s generocity to ‘donate” couple cuttings of plants…
Guess no volunteers?

Ruth Hall September 25, 2009 at 10:47 am

Polina, I could send you some from mine but I don’t think it’s the right time and I don’t think you want what I’ve got, as I’m not sure what I’ve got. :)

Jean September 25, 2009 at 12:58 pm

I live in Redding, CA zone 9 and it gets very hot here 114 degrees a couple of times this summer, maybe that has something to do with my tiny berries. So far I have had two small hand full of ripe berries and the are still more are coming. I didn’t use any fertilizer over the two years until this summer when I found kelp and fish fertilizer. Perhaps I have the wrong cultivar?
Thanks
Jean

Rich Tompkins September 28, 2009 at 12:08 pm

Dear Jean, “9 feet the second year!!” WoW! Are these seedlings, or cuttings? What have you done with your soil? What are you using for fertilizer? How much water are you giving them? How much sun? We would love to know what has contributed to your success. Warmest Regards, Rich

Rich Tompkins September 28, 2009 at 1:34 pm

Thanks Jean. Looks like you answered my question, before I even ask it.:o) I have found that All Gods creatures love Goji. Animals, birds, and incets, can sense the nutrition in the Goji berry plant, and are drawn to it by nature. Humans are also being drawn to the Goji berry, ‘by nature.’ It is ‘human nature’ to want to ‘defend ourselves’ from the poison toxins, and viruses, which have been unleashed on us, by the FDA, BIG PHARMA, and our so-called “Health Care System.” To say it needs “reform” is a gross understatement. Cancer, stroke, and heart attacks, caused by man-made products, and man-made staph infections, caused by man-made viruses, and man-made vacines, are killing more people each year, than all who die in war, or even on our nations highways. It is only “natural” to want to avoid this man-made catastrophe. I am personally convinced we can. Just like the animals, birds, and insects, humans know ‘instinctively’when we lack proper nutrients in our bodies. We baby’s ‘cry’ when we are hungry.:o) I guess the moral of this post is that “Goji is NOT “man-made.” And, I’m not so sure “man” can ever ‘improve’ upon it. A few things I am certain of however, is that “Goji has healed my body, and makes me smile.” It is inevitable that we will all share our Goji with someone (or some thing), and too much water, too much sun, too much heat, and too much cold, even too much ‘Nursing’ will kill the “Amazing Goji Berry.”:o( In my humble opinion, “moderation,” and “proper nutrition,” are the keys to growing healthy ‘Baby’s’ and healthy Goji’s.:o).

Rich Tompkins October 2, 2009 at 9:10 am

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ATTENTION!! MEDICAL ALERT!! WARNING!! POSSIBLE FATAL DRUG INTERACTION!!

Warfarin (Coumadin®) is the most widely prescribed anticoagulant drug in the United States. When taken with goji juice, cranberry juice, avocados, spinach, ginseng and fish oil supplements, Warfarin (Coumadin®) can cause stroke, heart attack, and death. “Warfarin” was developed to KILL RATS AND MICE, and it’s still being used for that same purpose today! If you are taking this “rat poison,” please speak with your doctor BEFORE consuming any berries, fruits or vegitables.

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“If the whole materia medica (drugs/medicines), as now used, could be sunk to the bottom of the sea, it would be so much the better for mankind – and all the worse for the fishes.” Dr. Oliver Wendell Holmes

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In the above quote, Dr. Oliver Wendell Holmes was referring to the “chemical concoctions,” used, and promoted to this day, by the American Medical Association (AMA). “Medical mal-practice,” when combined with “dirty, staph-infected, hospitals,” and “poison pharmaceuticals,” has become the #1 cause of death in America. “Staph-Infected Hospitals” alone kill more people each year than all the automobile accidents in the United States, while Trial Lawyers continue to make a killing, off of all this killing. If Hippocrates knew what modern “American Medicine” has become, he would be rolling over in his grave. *Whatever happened to the Hippocratic Oath of “Do No Harm?”

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Rich Tompkins October 2, 2009 at 11:38 am

AN ANCIENT ACCOUNT OF THE AMAZING GOJI BERRY

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Amazed at the magic of the Goji Herb, the merchant bowed to the lady with respect and asked, “May I be so bold as to ask the lady what type of magical herb do you posses?” The lady replied, “This herb has five names. You want to take a different part of the herb each season. In Spring you take its Leaves, which is known as the Essence of Heaven. In Summer you take its Flowers, which is known as the Longevity of Life. In Autumn you take its Fruits, which is known as Chinese Wolfberry. In Winter you take the Bark of its Roots, which is known as the Skin and Bone of the Earth, or the Staff of the Almighty Creator. Taking these Four Parts in the Four Seasons respectively, will give you a life as lofty as Heaven and Earth.” Author Unknown

Ruth Hall October 2, 2009 at 11:41 am

Thanks Rich for the warning. I don’t take it and I don’t know why anyone would. There are so many natural blood thinners such as Ginko, garlic, vitamin E, even aspirin would be better than that. Medicine has a long way to go. I think I’m going to buy some Goji berries. It looks like it may be awhile before I can grow enough to do me any good!

Rich Tompkins October 2, 2009 at 11:48 am

Thank you Ruth, glad to hear you don’t take “chemicals.” Chemicals kill.:o( Los Angeles Times thinks “Rich Nature” is the best Goji. So do we. It’s “chemical free.”:o) Please See: http://www.gojitrees.com/richnatureproducts.htm

Ruth Hall October 2, 2009 at 11:50 am

Reply 96. was not on my screen when I wrote reply 97. Interesting. 96. is very uplifting. How does one harvest the roots without damaging the plant?

Ruth Hall October 2, 2009 at 12:10 pm

Can anyone tell me approximately how many dried berries makes 15 grams?

Leo Flandriae October 4, 2009 at 7:28 pm

I think the biggest problem with Goji’s is the pollination. Who or what is doing it?
Wind, bees?
Most of us have flowers, but no berries. Any clue ?!?!
Large leaved hybrid will faster bloom.
Leo Flandrae was here!

Jason October 5, 2009 at 9:15 am

Goji self pollinates so no other media is need for pollination. No berries coming from flowers may due to other factors. Where is your location? How about the climate?

Leo Flandriae October 5, 2009 at 10:14 am

Thank for your fast response.
We live in zone 8b, that is supposed to be warm enough? We had an exceptional dry summer here, that means less rain than usual. All plants are in full sun.Some have two or three berries in full ground.
Self pollinating, ok, but in one or another way the pollen must move ?
Do you have experiences or knowledges about reasons of non pollination, others than the climate?
Can I send pics ?
Leo

Jason October 5, 2009 at 10:44 am

Leo,
I doubt the barrenness is due to hot temperatures. Extremely hot days (>95 degrees F) coupled with warm nights (>85 F) would damage anther and make it sterile. In your case maybe partial shade would help.
My two-cents…

jim October 5, 2009 at 2:14 pm

I hear it takes up to 5 years from seed to goji berry

Brian October 6, 2009 at 7:35 pm

it can occur at the end of the 2nd year if the conditions are right

Jason October 6, 2009 at 9:42 pm

If you are using a seeds from a reliable cultivar, you would see flowers the second year and harvest some berries the third year. However the peak yielding will come after 5 years.

Leo Flandriae October 7, 2009 at 7:14 am

This seems to explain the whole problem and looks to me as a breakthrough!
I hope you are mentioning your real own experiences?
Thanks a lot !!!

Jason October 7, 2009 at 9:00 am

Yes, it is from my real experience. Like Brian said the first flowers may appear the second year but whether the flowers grow to ripe berries depending on cooperation of the weather. The first flowers usually appear pretty late in the season. For the first year if the plant grow up to 1.5 feet, remove the top of the shoot to encourage growth of lateral shoots. Remove any lateral shoots below 1 foot height. for any lateral shoot with 45 degree angle to grow – such lateral shoot will turn to furiting branches late. Late in the season if there is one upward shoot growing out from the top of the tree near or at the point where the old upward shoot (main stem) was trimmed, leave this shoot to make it grow to main stem for the second layer next year. If the plant can not grow to 1.5 feet the first year, do the prunning second year.
I will post more details on my website go-goji.com please come back to visit.

Rich Tompkins October 8, 2009 at 2:35 pm

I am now the proud owner of a 3 month old, No.1 of Ning-qi Goji Tree ‘Seedling.’ He/She is beautiful. I hope I don’t “Nurse” him/her to death. Me thinks I am guilty of doing that in the past.:o(. I worry about these young plants like a Mother Hen. I say “Him/Her,” of course, because the Goji Tree is dual sexed. All one has to do polinate the Goji Tree is rub his/her beautiful flowers together. He/She will will polinate Her/Himself.:o) I think I will keep my 3 month old inside for the winter. A little Sunshine, and TLC, and in the Spring a brand new Gogi Tree… Just for me.:o)

Rich Tompkins October 8, 2009 at 2:37 pm

ALL who search for the word “Gogi” will now find this post.:o)

Leo Flandriae October 9, 2009 at 4:20 am

Searching for Goji cannot be done using Gogi imho.

Jason October 9, 2009 at 11:07 am

For you information – ‘go-gi’ is another calling of goji for people living in Taiwan, Hongkang and some southern Asian regions. My Taiwanness friend also calls it ‘gogi’, sounds very funny to me – i think it is just due to a local accent.

Leo Flandriae October 9, 2009 at 12:34 pm

quote:”ALL who search for the word “Gogi” will now find this post”
Nobody is searching after Gogi, and for the promoting of this fruit it is very bad that people start to confuse others with inventing new words. Godji, Gotchi, Gochi, Goshi, Goji, aso. Do you need more?
It is thrue, when I went shopping for Goji berries in a very big local Chinese supermarket here in Antwerp – Flanders, the Chinese women refused to understand my way of pronouncing, when I asked about Goji berries.
The third time when I came back, because friends convinced me that the Goji berries where absolutely in that shop, I searched and found them, myself, after searching. When I showed the shopkeeper the two kind of Goji berries he sells, and asking her why they didn’t sell them the first time I asked for, she only smiled and mumbled something in Chinese. I find that also very unpolite, and lack of respect for their customers.
Personally, I find you do the same with you Gogi stuff. Are you trying to force customers to learn Chinese, or your pronounciation in your interpretation of the English language?
Also you could change the title here in “Gogi update”!?
Are your customers rather people living in Taiwan, Hongkang and some southern Asian regions?
My Taiwanness friend also calls it ‘gogi’, sounds very funny to me – i think it is just due to a local accent. Any idea of how much English accents or ways of pronouncing exist in the world? Ok, you can start to make for all of them, a different word.
So finally, I understand that you try the whole world to learnd your and your friends way of pronouncing Goji ?!
What a joke!

Ruth Hall October 9, 2009 at 12:36 pm

Congratulations Rich, on your new addition. Where did you get him/her? I’d like to get 2 good cultivars next spring. Also, how many goji berries should one eat daily for maximum benefit?

Jason October 9, 2009 at 1:21 pm

I did not realize my FYI (for your information) post easily provoked someone. I can’t see any politeness either from the one who complained of impoliteness received from his local Asian store.
My suggestion is you ask for ‘wolfberry’ next time to shop goji berries, becaues ‘wolfberry’ is authentic English word that you feel comfortable.
If you don’t want to learn or know something, it is totally OK, just ignore it. That information may benefit others who may shop for goji while only ‘gogi’ is available from some Oriental stores. It is confusing but it is reality, trying to make others shut up is not purpose of this goji or ‘gogi’ or ‘go-chi’ update forum.

Rich Tompkins October 10, 2009 at 9:53 am

Dear Ruth, I purchased my “No. 1 of Ning-qi” Goji seed online from Dr. Zhisheng Qing, of Dreamland Goji. I strongly encourage you to spend some time on his website @ http://www.go-goji.com/ I am convinced that Dr. Zhisheng (Jason) Qing is the foremost expert in America on “Growing Goji.”
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To answer your questions about “daily dosing,” I would suggest you read Dr. Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D., Director, Institute for Traditional Medicine, Portland, Oregon. Below is an excerpt from his article on this subject.
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“Typical Dosing of Lycium Fruit: Lycium fruit is most often incorporated into complex herb formulas, in which its dose is in the range of 6–18 grams. Since other herbs in the formula could contribute significant amounts of compounds such as carotenoids and polysaccharides, this dose may be insufficient if lycium is used as a single herb remedy instead. There have been a few reports of using lycium fruit as a single herb or as a major component in a small recipe. For example, in the treatment of atrophic gastritis, one of the recommended therapies is to consume lycium fruits, 10 grams each time, twice daily (15). In folk medicine, for diabetes it is recommended to consume 10 grams each time, two or three times daily (16). As a food therapy for strengthening the elderly or debilitated, it is cooked with lean pork, bamboo shoots, and typical Chinese flavorings, and the daily dose would be 15–30 grams (17). As a dietary supplement for eye health (2), a dose of 15 grams per day was deemed beneficial in supplying adequate zeaxanthin (estimated at 3 mg/day). A simple tea for decreased visual perception is made from 20 grams lycium fruit as a daily dose (18). Thus, the dose in complex formulas of 6–18 grams shifts to a dose of 15–30 grams when it is the main herb, or about a 2.5-fold increase in the dose.” You can read the rest of this article at: http://www.gojitrees.com/lyciumfruitfoodmed.htm

Jason October 10, 2009 at 10:40 am

Ruth,
There is no absolute rule that how many goji berries one should eat. It is depending on one’s health condition. It is suggested taking 30 grams of dried goji berries daily would be safe for many people.

Ruth Hall October 10, 2009 at 2:27 pm

Thanks Jason, for all of your help. I really appreciate it.
Your polite reply to Mr. Leo’s impoliteness shows considerable control and integrity. You have given all of us wonderful information and I can’t think of any good reason for anyone to be nasty.

Jason October 10, 2009 at 4:55 pm

Rich and Ruth,
Thank you for your friendship and support. One small annoucement – I have updated my ‘goji knowledge base’ pages. I added some information for pruning goji tree. The information may not be very complete and detail but I guess some goji fans may find it helpful:
http://go-goji.com/Gojiprunning.aspx

Rich Tompkins October 10, 2009 at 6:08 pm

Dear Jason, Ruth, and to whom it may concern. Thank you for all your help. You are very much appreciated. Thanks to you, we may have Goji berries growing in Arkansas after all.:o) For the benefit of the room (this may open a can of worms;o), “Gou qi zi (“goo-chee-zee”), the Mandarin name for wolfberry, is of the Solanaceae nightshade family that includes tomato, eggplant, chile pepper and potato. In vernacular English, “gou qi zi” (literally “wolf”, “energy”, “berry”) has become “goji”.
For at least 2000 years, wolfberry has grown wild in China and used in common recipes and traditional Chinese medicine. 18th century Chinese farmers nicknamed gou qi zi “wolfberry”
when they saw wolves feasting among the berry-laden vines during late summer at prime harvest time.” To learn more about the modern & traditional uses, constituents, pharmacology, and history, of the “Go qi zi,” please visit http://www.goqizi.com :o)

Ruth Hall October 12, 2009 at 6:44 pm

Thanks Rich for all your info. When I first purchased my Goji, it was listed in the catalog as “wolfberry” I had never heard of Goji. Quite honestly, I really don’t care what it is called I just think it is a terrific plant and I want to grow it!

polina October 12, 2009 at 8:17 pm

Hello, Ruth.
I did send you a note thanking you for your generocity…You are the only one, that actually replied to my request…;-(
What kind do oyu have and where did you get your cuttings of the Goji berry? And when is the right time to take cuttings?
I had been looking all over asial stores in my area and nobody even heard of leaves, other than dry berries, nothing else is the stores….

Daryl October 13, 2009 at 6:37 pm

Hi guys! I love this place. I’m learning a lot. I am experimenting with growing goji aeroponically is a system that I created and made myself. So far they are 1 month and 3 weeks old from seed and some are 2 foot tall already. Is this normal height? Does anyone know how fast they are suppose to grow? Of course my hope is that they are growing faster than normal in my system. I read that the PH level should be greater than 9! Is this true? I haven’t started playing around with the PH levels yet but they are currently around 7 or so. Does anyone know the facts on the PH.

Daryl October 13, 2009 at 6:45 pm

Also. Has anyone ever eaten a fresh goji berry? I heard that they are very perishable, is this true? When you pick a goji berry how long will they last before they go bad? Any knowledge on these questions would be GREATLY appreciated.

Ruth Hall October 14, 2009 at 9:18 am

Hi Polina, I ordered the plant from the Jung seed catalog. When I ordered it, it did not tell what kind it was. It was called “wolfberry” Now they are saying that they have the good cultivars, in limited quantities. This was in the spring catalog. I think they only ship them in the spring. 1-800-247-5864 is their toll-free number. You can get the seeds (not from Jung) but it is my understanding that they don’t all develop into the desired cultivar so you would have to know which was which or know someone who knew. It all seems pretty confusing to me so I think I will go with cuttings or plants. Spring is the only time I can do cuttings because I am not set up for inside growing.

Jason October 14, 2009 at 9:33 am

Daryl,
Although goji prefers growing in alkaline soil, it can also grow in neutral soil or soils with a little acidity. I would say goji prfers soil pH 7-8. The modern cultivars can well adapt to soils with high pH value.
I ate fresh berries picked from my goij farm this summer. I ate a lot when I was small in China. They are not perishable, I collected some ripe berries to give to my friend but forgot them in my car trunk, after a few days the berries got a little dehydrated but did not perish. This contrast with other berries like blueberry. for more info, visit my website go-goji.com

Ruth Hall October 14, 2009 at 9:44 am

Hi Daryl, Wow, I’d like to know about your system. Two feet tall in 3 weeks sounds amazing. If you will go back starting at comment .68, you’ll find a good discussion on PH.

Daryl October 14, 2009 at 9:53 am

Thanks Ruth and Jason, Actually it’s been about a month and 3 weeks, not 3 weeks. Yeah, I know I won’t have any fruit for at least 2 years, but my big hope is that in my system they will grow large enough to produce fruit in the first year. I’m not sure if that’s possible but there’s only one way to find out right. I would love to one day quit my job and sell fresh goji’s full time. I can’t think of a better career than to do something you like, make some money doing it, and help people to live healthier lives. That’s if I get these goji’s to produce friut. I currently have about 700 or 800 goji’s growing. But as they get bigger space is going to be a BIG issue. What I really need is a greenhouse but I’m not sure if I can afford one. Where I live there’s a lot of snow so it would have to be a 4 season greenhouse. Does anyone have one? Or does anyone know the cheapest one out there that can withstand the snow?

Ruth Hall October 14, 2009 at 9:58 am

Where do you live Daryl?

Daryl October 14, 2009 at 4:51 pm

Hi Ruth! I live in Northwest PA. It gets pretty cold up there during the winters. We can get a couple feet of snow in one day so it’s important that I get a greenhouse that can handle it.

Ruth Hall October 14, 2009 at 5:06 pm

I don’t know much about greenhouses, maybe someone else will be able to help you. I have a small, 8×8 plastic covered greenhouse and I am able to grow fresh spinach all winter here in central Indiana. It gets below zero, at least once, maybe more depending on the severity of the winter. I guess you would have to have one tight enough to use a heater with out breaking you financially!

Rich Tompkins October 16, 2009 at 1:54 pm

Dear Goji Friends, The “non-perishable” natute of the Goji berry makes it one of the best “survival foods” known to man. Everyone should stock-up on “dried Goji berries.” You will find the very best dried Goji berries available, in bulk, at the following website. http://www.gojitrees.com/bulkdiscounts.htm

Ruth Hall October 16, 2009 at 2:54 pm

Jason, thanks so much for the pruning tips. I just got time to check it out. This will be so helpful this spring. My 3 yr. old “bush” is pretty ugly. Should I try to shape it up some?

Jason October 16, 2009 at 3:48 pm

Yeah, do not feel sorry for teh branches you are removing. You will be surprised to see more berries come out from the new growth next year.

Rich Tompkins October 16, 2009 at 4:00 pm

Jason, I am pruning my Goji now, according to your valuable instruction, and I would like to plant the cuttings immediately. How deep should a “root-less” cutting be planted?

Daryl October 16, 2009 at 4:08 pm

Hey guys, I found something out that really sucks. Goji’s really don’t like change at all! I moved about 100 goji’s into my new larger aeroponic system and they are all wilting really bad. I hope they make it. Hey Ruth, what are the pruning tips? I heard that you should keep them prunned at like 5 ft. Is that correct?

Ruth Hall October 17, 2009 at 1:30 pm

Hey Daryl, go back and read 120 and you shall know if you go to his website! Hope your goji’s come out of it. I’d still like to know a little about your system, or is it a secret? With the weather changing like it seems to be, we may all be growing in greenhouses in the years to come. Also, what cultivar are you growing?

Daryl October 20, 2009 at 8:54 am

Thanks Ruth, sorry but it is kind of a secret. We are designing the system around the concept and going to make smaller versions of it. Assuming all the tests go well we will be obviously trying to sell it. I’m sure it will take awhile for all the testing to be done. Anyway, I’m not sure what cultivar my goji’s are because I got all the seeds from dried goji’s. From what I understand, most of the dried goji’s over here are the Da Ma Ye, or something like that. I’m thinking about buying some seeds so I know exactly what I’m getting but for now with all the tests I’m doing I assume most of what I have will die. I guess I’m pushing them to the limits you could say. But yes, I would love to eventually get some certified seeds.

Rich Tompkins October 20, 2009 at 10:52 am

Daryl, don’t feel to bad. I have killed hundreds of Goji plants, trying to grow them in a very harsh invironment. Too much water, and too much heat will kill them. I have both problems. On average, we will get over 60 inches of rain each year, and my thermometer said it was 112 degrees F in my garden this year. This burned my tomatoes up, but my 18, 3 year-old Goji plants (planted in partial shade) survived. I had many large leaves, and a few flowers, but no berries this year.:( BE PATIENT!! It has been our observation that the young, and tender, Goji seedling will often lay over on the ground, and begin to look very weak. One of two things are happening. The Goji is either “concentrating on root growth,” or dying from “damping-off disease.” In your case, the plant may also be suffering from “transplant shock.” I would recommend that you treat immediately for “damping-off disease,” and be patient. The Goji Tree has an amazing will to live, even in very adverse conditions. Warmest Regards,

Rich Tompkins October 20, 2009 at 10:57 am

BTY, you can now see the difference between the Traditional Da Ma Ye Goji Seed, and the No.1 of Ning-qi Goji Seed, by visiting http://www.GoQiZi.com/ :o)

Rich Tompkins October 20, 2009 at 10:59 am

OOPs! of course in ment BTW (by the way.”:)

Les Whiddett November 11, 2009 at 1:14 am

Hi from down under, I live near Perth, Western Australia. We have a mediterrean climate, 36 inches of rain in winter and around 5c to a hot dry summer at up to 40c. Very hungry dry silica sand which is water repellent. We do still have kangaroos and Bandicoots living near us, but like the rest of the world have a bad rabbit problem.
We are in our spring planting time and our local nursery talked me into buying a Goji berry (Lycuim barbarum). I googled and found your site. It has been a great site for information which i Thank you all for. My loan Goji has trebled its size in eight weeks, standing about three feet tall with many branches, I made sure of placing a rabbit barrier around it, temperatures are around 30c at this point.
Keep up the good work. Les

Ruth Hall November 12, 2009 at 3:05 pm

Hi Les, What a neat place to live. I don’t even know what a bandicoot is! I think you’ll like your Goji. Here in Indiana we’ve had 2 light freezes and several heavy frosts and my Goji is still green. It’s not as cold sensitive as I thought it was.
Good luck with your Goji, sounds like heat will be your challenge. Be sure to check out Jason’s pruning information. I didn’t have any idea what to do with mine and by the time I found this Goji site, it was way out of hand. I will have to prune mine severely in the spring.

Les Whiddett November 14, 2009 at 10:42 pm

Thank you Ruth for your advice, checked out comment 120, a very useful site for pruning information. Bandicoots are australian marsupials, about the same size and colour as rabbits, they have a very pointed nose with sharp teeth but only eat worms and insects. Les

Ruth Hall November 16, 2009 at 2:09 pm

Thanks for the info Les, I’ll have to look them up! :)

kish November 21, 2009 at 5:55 pm

Hi, it’s been very useful to read all the comments about growing goji – I got some goji seeds from ebay and soaked them in a pot of water on my windowsill. They started sprouting after a week or so, then I put them in a pot of compost, and they’ve all grown into little green plants. I repotted them into their own pots a couple of weeks back and they’ve all been ok, they’re still on my windowsill, but I’m running out of room! I realise I’ve overwatered them because they’ve started to look a bit wilty, so I’ve left them alone for a bit. Got some horrid little black flies that are everywhere tho, really tiny, and possibly eating the leaves – they run all over the soil in the pots and are resting on my walls. Will the cinnamon get rid of the flies, do you think? What other household ingredient could I use? Don’t want to use something with a name I don’t know as ok.
Also would it be ok to put the seedlings out for the winter as I’m running out of space? I was told they wouldn’t be hardy over their first winter. Some have 3 or 4 leaves.

Jason November 22, 2009 at 10:39 pm

Kish,
Try some garlic extract liquid. It worked some summer on my plants to prevent certain bugs.
Don’t put plants with 3-4 leaves outside in winter. They are not hardy enough to overwinter at this age. They can be planted outside when reach 1-2 feet.

just-in-thyme November 24, 2009 at 11:27 am

I purchased cuttings for Goji on e-bay. The seller advertised for 10 but I received twice that amount AND the price was reasonable. I had recently purchased an Aerogarden with the intent of starting other mail order seed (passioon flowers, Hawaiian Woodrose, etc) but discovered the hydro system pretty much caters to its own seed pods, HOWEVER…it is excelant for starting cuttings.I know have close to 20 @12 ” seedlings over wintering in my greenhouse and might start more. I HAD attempted to grow them from seed last spring without much luck. I have been asked if Goji is requires a male/female plant to fruit and haven’t found any referances to the subject( and in my experiance, anyone hoping to sell these plants are eager to tell you to buy more than 1..lol)

Jason November 25, 2009 at 10:24 am

Just-in-thyme,
Goji is self-pollinating plant, you don’t need multiple plants for polination. Visit my website go-goji.com for other cultivation information. Do you know the cultivar of the plants you ordered?

Rich Tompkins December 20, 2009 at 1:26 pm

Just-in-thyme, did you receive a “Phyto-Sanitation Certificate” with your cuttings? Happy Holidays & Warmest Regards, http://GojiMasters.com/

Ferdi van Zyl December 21, 2009 at 2:23 am

We have Goji plants in our tunnels in Stellenbosch, Cape Town, South Africa and are trying to find out how to root the cuttings. What method should we use i.e. the softer wood or harder wood?? Rooting powder Seradex no 1 or 2?? How should we grow them? In mini tunnels? And at what temperatures? I know there are people who made plants form cutting and I also would prefer that as all material is the genetically the same.

Please help and kindest regards

Charles of Perth December 24, 2009 at 10:31 am

I live on the outskirts of Perth and like Les said earlier we have terrible soil and hot summers. That said, I’ve planted about twenty goji’s I’ve raised from seed myself in the spring – and they are handling the conditions well. I haven’t had any casualties. I’ve found they like the liquid fish fertilizer and a bit of seaweed extract every 2 -3 weeks….and they are happy. Fingers crossed but I have big expectations of lots of berries next year.

Jason December 24, 2009 at 3:19 pm

Goji is regarded as one of the best plants to grow in bad soils in China. Goji can handle sandy soil with coarse gravel grains with high soil pH.

Charles of Perth December 27, 2009 at 2:35 am

Thanks Jason – my plants won’t be disappointed if they like bad soil! I sometimes think we have the worst in the world. But so far all are going well, and thanks for website you put together!. Very helpful and I got a lot of valuable information from it!

Doug_NJ January 18, 2010 at 8:27 am

Great website. I recently placed an order for two plants, and I feel somewhat behind schedule with all of these entries. However, the information here will hopefully eliminate some trials and tribulations. I have questions on watering and the best planting soil. In Jersey, we clayey ..not very well drained soils. I have read varying opinions and I guess if you had very sandy soils …a lot of water may be required. But as Ralph Snodsmith (look him up on line) always says spend spend time in preparing the soil to recieve the plant and you’d have success(I forget his saying but that is the message). What soil is the best soil for Gojis?

Jason January 18, 2010 at 9:47 am

Doug,
I would say sandy loam soil or loamy soil with considerable sand content would be ideal for growing goji. Soil is just one aspect, climate also plays the role. Goji is not THAT picky on soils but won’t tolerate very humid and wet weather.

Rich Tompkins January 18, 2010 at 3:07 pm

Dear Doug,

Too much water will kill the Goji plant, regardless of age. It has been my experience that the Goji will tell you when it’s thirsty. When the leaves begin to wilt, give the plant a little drink of water (very little). Like people, the Goji fruit will only become what you feed it (we are what we eat). Feed (fertilize) your Goji’s with a good organic mixture of nutrient, and mineral rich humas, in well draining soil, protect them from the critters, and live happily ever after.:o)

Rich Tompkins January 21, 2010 at 8:28 am

Please help us “STAND WITH HAITI.” Visit http://www.gojitrees.com and become a “Partner In Health” for the Haitian people.

Rich Tompkins January 23, 2010 at 11:26 am

It occurred to me that Haiti, with its ‘arid mountain regions,’ and ‘high plateaus’ could be a wonderful place to grow Goji from seed, especially along the Atribonite River. Goji is known for growing in ‘poor soils,’ and Haiti’s soil, once known for its rich fertility, has been damaged by years of deforestation, and soil erosion. Goji, with its long tap root (when grown from seed), could help stabilize the soil, and provide the Haitian’s with desperately needed food, medicine, employment, and possibly even an economic base. With the demand for Fresh Goji berries, far exceeding the supply, it would take only 90 minutes for our Haitian friends to export their “FRESH” produce to our U.S. markets. Yum, I can almost taste them now.:o) his will be very lucrative for the Republic of Haiti. I say “will be” because when the ‘recovery’ is over, the WFP (World Food Programme), and the PIH (Partners In Health), have both expressed an interest in “Growing Goji in Haiti.” GojiTrees.com & GojiTrees Natural Health has been honored to arrange a donation of both, seed and growing expertise. We are humbled by this, and seek all the help we can get. Please visit http://www.GojiTrees.com and “STAND WITH HAITI!” “Help Haiti Now!” L ‘UNION FAIT LA FORCE (Union Makes Strength).

Ruth Hall January 23, 2010 at 1:43 pm

Goji berries in Haiti, that sounds great! That would be a win-win for everyone!!

Jason January 23, 2010 at 2:06 pm

Rich,
Your idea is a good one. While most areas in Haiti is mild in climate, there are might be some mountain regions that are suitable for growing goji. Yes goji can adapt to poor soil very well and can help to control soil erosion. If you have contacts in Haiti, could ask him to do a feasibility analysis? I would donate 10,000 NQ-1 goji seeds to support the initiative.

Rich Tompkins January 23, 2010 at 3:40 pm

Dear Jason,
Thank you for your recommendations, and your generous offer. In our humble opinion, you are truly the Goji Master. GojiTrees.com will follow your lead, and match your excellent donation. No doubt your expertese will prove invaluable to the Hatian people. We have passed along your request for a “feasibility analysys” to Maria Guimaraes, Partnership Manager,Private Partnerships Division United Nations World Food Programme Tel: +39 066513 2532 Fax: +39 06 6513 301. Ms. Guimaraes has informed GojiTrees.com that “WFP is currently undergoing emergency relief efforts in Haiti. Once they move into the recovery/programming efforts (when we are able to understand the extent of the issue at hand and the needs moving forward) we will be looking into sustainable and income generating projects.” Ms. Guimaraes is interested hearing more about Goji, and we look forward to hearing from her on this matter very soon.

Jason January 23, 2010 at 3:59 pm

Dear Rich,
Thank you for your encouragement. You are the ture leader in goji community in the US. If some areas of Haiti are suitabe for growing goji, I really think it is a great idea. Unlike many other crops, growing goji needs very little tilling each year, which help conserve soils which are being depleted by improper cultivation on Haiti moutain slops. If WFO launch this project in the future, I, with many others, would follow your lead to offer our humble support. Please keep on posting follow-up messages.

Rich Tompkins January 24, 2010 at 1:16 pm

Where to buy goji in its several forms – Los Angeles Times http://www.gojitrees.com/LA%20times-goji1.pdf

Rich Tompkins January 24, 2010 at 3:33 pm

Dear Jason,
Thank you for your kind words, but with all due respect, I am just a student Goji farmer. You sir were born in a Goji field, and hold a PhD in Biosystems Engineering, and an MS and BS in Agricultural Meteorology. If anyone on the planet is qualified to help Haiti grow Goji, it would be you sir. Your expertese and contibutions to our cause are profoundly appreciated, and will be forever remembered. It is an honor to have you as our “Goji Friend.”

Rich Tompkins February 4, 2010 at 9:56 am

Hi again Jason,
Please tell us if the term “Happy Berry,” is an historic term for Goji (China in origin), or is this something new, and unique to US marketing.

Jason February 4, 2010 at 11:06 am

Hi Rich,
Goji is not called ‘happy berry’ in China. It might be a new invention here to attract people’s attention.
Goji is called go-ji, go-chi (gou-qi in Chinese PinYin), or go-chi-zi.
Hope this helps.
Jason

Rich Tompkins February 4, 2010 at 12:14 pm

Thank you Jason,
I suspected as much. I have researched every name for Lycium barbarum L., and have posted them all at GojiTrees.com. I have found nothing in ‘antiquity’ about “Happy Berry.” How would one say “happy berry” in Mandrian? I will say this..Goji has made me, and many others, very happy.:o) I do believe Goji strengthens both, Yin and Yang, fortifying (defending)the entire Qi, both mind, and body.

Rich Tompkins February 11, 2010 at 12:31 pm

Over the past year (2009), more than 4 Billion US Dollars were donated to the UN World Food Programame. Why Are More Than 16,000 Children A Day Still Starving To Death? 1 person is dying every second as a result, either directly or indirectly, of hunger – 4000 every hour – 100,000 each day? When will this nightmare end? We have made our donations. Where is the food? This is unconscionable! How can we sleep? We can, and must, stop this genocide! We must start by dropping food, and seed, on the planet, instead of bombs.

Ruth Hall February 11, 2010 at 1:33 pm

Changes are coming Rich, in the near future. Hopefully the UN will be replaced by an organization that is much more effective. Right now there seems to be total chaos but a new earth is in the works. It is an exciting time and a time for real hope. Just hang in there.

david palmisano February 11, 2010 at 1:45 pm

how about get rid of the UN and all the international bankers that make up the UN….and not replace it with anything. We do not need a New World Order!

Jason February 11, 2010 at 2:13 pm

We might get some inspiration from a ancient Chinese Sage (600BC) in his Tao Te Jing:

1. Let the country be small and people few
2. Bring it about that there are weapons for “tens” and “hundreds,” yet let no one use them;
3. Have the people regard death gravely and put migrating far from their minds.
4. Though they might have boats and carriages, no one will ride them;
5. Though they might have armor and spears, no one will display them.
6. Have the people return to knotting cords and using them.

7. They will relish their food,
8. Regard their clothing as beautiful,
9. Delight in their customs,
10. And feel safe and secure in their homes.
11. Neighboring states might overlook one another,
12. And the sounds of chickens and dogs might be overheard,
13. Yet the people will arrive at old age and death with no comings and goings between them.

Rich Tompkins February 11, 2010 at 2:39 pm

Dear Goji Friends,
I am convinced we must keep it simple. I am equally convinced we will get past all this hard stuff. I am not convinced that we should be segragated in any way. In my humble opinion, I believe the world is to small for that. Let us all bring our piece of the puzzle. It is only then we will see the whole picture clearly.

Ruth Hall February 11, 2010 at 3:34 pm

Simple is good. We will create what is most important to us. Your ancient Chinese Sage is inspiring Jason.

Rich Tompkins February 18, 2010 at 11:34 am

Hello Terri
Welcome to “Veggie Gardening Tips.” Jason may be able to help you with Goji trees. You can also find a verity of great Goji seed at http://www.GojiTrees.com/ Good luck growing Goji in Georgia.

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Rich Tompkins February 28, 2010 at 6:01 pm

I just scattered a bunch of my finest dry Goji berries all over my yard. Our Birds love them. Now my little Bird friends are going to drop their little Goji Bombs all over my mountain, and propagate on everything. If you’re not careful, we’ll propagate on you :o) BTW.. Anyone need a Job? See GojiTrees.com

Kenny Point February 28, 2010 at 6:10 pm

That is funny Rich, and after reading that I’m not sure I want to see what kind of work you have in store over at GojiTrees.com!

Charles of Perth March 2, 2010 at 5:00 am

I’ve got a new batch of seedlings, now 1-2 feet tall. Most of my gogi plants around the yard are going fine…but with these seedlings I have a strip along the fence line about 20 metres (or yards) long. Soil would be just as bad as the other goji’s are loving – but sunlight may be an issue due to the orientation. In summer they’d get get 6-7 hours of intense sunlight a day…but in winter probably closer to 2 hours, less if it’s cloudy….Would that kill them? Rain is also heavy here during winter – but I can take steps to make them comfortable (ie plastic sheeting around the bases….but I can’t do anything about the sunlight. Any insight from the experts appreciated!

Jason March 2, 2010 at 9:52 am

If your plants are dormant in winter, sun light should not be an issue. However heavy rainfall might become your concern if the soil is not well-drained, especially when the spring comes. Are you in the South states or Northwestern coastline?

Rich Tompkins March 2, 2010 at 10:19 am

Dear Kenny,
It is kind of funny, now that you mention it. “Goji Bombs.”:o) Look, my mission in life is to “re-seed” the Planet with Goji. What better way could there be, than to feed my best Goji berries to the birds??

Rich Tompkins March 2, 2010 at 10:22 am

Hi Chales,
Sounds like you have the same problem I do. We got soaked. If my Goji comes out of dormancy, I plan to move them to a “raised bed.” Best Wishes & Warmest Regards GojiTrees.com

Rich Tompkins March 2, 2010 at 10:31 am

Kenny,
BTW…It’s a good job, working for good people, just like you. We market the most delicious, nutritious, and antioxidant-rich food on Earth. For half the price.:o)

Rich Tompkins March 2, 2010 at 10:37 am

We (Rich Nature) provide the “raw materials” for almost every real “Goji juice blend” on the Ameican market.:o) What they do with our “pure raw Goji” after that, is a crime.:o(

Charles of Perth March 7, 2010 at 12:15 am

Thanks Jason. We’re in the southwest corner of Australia. The particular area here is very sandy….usually drains fast…water goes straight thru. Not an issue with this location. But we do get rain for days on end in the winter….can get 4-5 days in succession than a couple days to dry out – then another bout of rain. Don’t have much choice – have to plant these guys somewhere….if they survive I’ll be happy…It would double my ‘future’ goji production.

Jake March 21, 2010 at 8:45 pm

WOW..this is an incredible post..so much info..in these comments. We’re just starting our second year with our plants…they’re all a live and growing after their first winter. They sure love the ocean water and rock dust!!!

Rocky March 25, 2010 at 9:30 pm

Where can I buy goji plants/cuttings?

Jean April 15, 2010 at 8:41 pm

Hello,
I have five large goji bushes. Last year they didn’t blossom until late July and the berries were tiny, I probably only harvested a cup full. They were tasty and sweet.
My question is do I have the wrong type of Goji berry or haven’t I pruned them enough.
There are probably 10′ tall and are in big pots and have many stems. This year I am using kelp fertilizer.
Is there anything else I can try.
Thanks,
Jean

Ruth Hall May 16, 2010 at 3:09 pm

Hi Goji Guys! I have some buds!!! Jason, I pruned the goji “bush” pretty severly in early spring. I did leave 3 stems for trunks. I was really afraid to prune it any more as I took a lot off. I think I need to prune the upper area now. They are really bushy and looking at your pruning pictures, it needs to be thinned out. Again, though, I don’t want to kill it. Do you think it would be good to do that now or should I wait until later or possibly next year? I put a good amount of lime pellets on last fall and I added some organic fertilizer this spring but not too much. It looks pretty good, and there are buds which is a miracle, for the past 3 years, it hasn’t had buds and blooms until August. However, we have had an early spring with some temps in the 80′s which I’m sure has helped. Right now though we are having a lot of rain and it’s pretty chilly. It will be interesting to see what it does.

Jean May 24, 2010 at 2:34 pm

HI GOJI FRIENDS,

I just pruned my goji’s way back, at end of February I gave my smallest one Alfalfa tea.

The tea is made by soaking a few handfuls of alfalfa pellets (farm supply) in 5 gal of water for three days stirring each morning. Well, the smallest goji now has beautiful green healthy leaves.
The others are light green and rather straggly.

Here in Northern CA. it is not quite time for blossoms, I will let you know how the healthy green one does. Probably in late July.
I use the alfalfa tea on many of my plants, especially Roses.

poliana May 24, 2010 at 2:53 pm

Hello, guys.
Could anyone spare a cutting of Goji plant?
Also the question to Jean- what exactly the alfalfa pellets do for roses? I do know that banana peel is very beneficial for roses for potassium supply.

Jean May 28, 2010 at 8:46 am

It contains a natural hormone triancontanol that roses love.

Corey June 1, 2010 at 7:09 pm

Polina, I would suggest purchasing some seeds from http://www.localharvest.com
They sell the goji seeds and one small pack will be plenty to get a nice start. I would send you some cuttings if you would like but I fear they wouldn’t survive. We could try anyway.
Send me an e-mail coreymorris32@yahoo.com

Ray Morgan August 12, 2010 at 1:39 pm

Hi
I have successfully grown two Goji plants from seeds in a glass house. They are just about six weeks old and 10 cm in height. Strangely one has holes in almost every leaf whereas the other has none. Can you please advise me why this has happened and when should I remove them from the glasshouse for replanting in my garden. I live in Scotland, UK and the cold weather will start soon. The weather here is unpredictable and I’m worried that the young plants will not survive the cold and possible snow.
I would appreciate any advice you could give.
Kind Regards
Ray

Charles of Perth August 17, 2010 at 5:30 am

We’re almost into spring, a couple weeks to go, and looks like most – maybe all – of my goji’s made it thru a very cold (for us) winter. Not as much rain as we usually get in winter but they did stay pretty soaked for long periods – and survived. Just starting to see some new leaves sprouting out from the mostly bare stems. A couple of the biggest ones are close to a meter high so getting hopeful of seeing some berries this year….
I’ve also had leaves with lots of small holes like Ray above. Not sure what is going on – snails (do my best to protect them), insects, or disease…but they otherwise look healthy. Interesting plants….

Daryl August 17, 2010 at 8:03 am

Hey Guys,,, I’ve got around 150 goji’s growing, and I’m writing because of these tiny little holes that are all over my leaves, what are they? I’m stumped…

Bart Coppes August 18, 2010 at 1:51 pm

most of the plants that come from overseas do not have the same weatherchanges and different soils as we here in the states do and the plants face new and different changes,with bugs that they did not have overseas if you take abucket of cool water NOT COLD or HOT but Cool and add a teaspoon of dish soap to it and mix and with a soft spong wipe softly the leaves bottom side (thats the side faceing the GROUND)with you should note that the leave will do better if this is done within a week to ten days of the leaf forming we had the same problem with some pepper plant from mexico, thats what helped them you may also lose some of the leafs from this depending on the soap….

pete August 19, 2010 at 5:54 pm

the holes in your leaves are from moths they just love the light green leaves once they turn dark green they wont like them anymore so you are going to have to spray them with a soap.

Bart Coppes August 19, 2010 at 8:42 pm

BE careful With the soap you use and the amount and with a sponge or soft cloth will cover and Kill off the MITES…and moths.

Ray August 20, 2010 at 10:34 am

Hi Bart and Pete (above) about the soap tip. I am going to wipe my leaves with the soap mixture today. Will let you know the results in a few days.
Cheers, Ray

Ray August 20, 2010 at 10:35 am

Sorry Bart and Pete, forgot to say Thanks for the tip.
Ta-ta Ray

Bart Coppes August 20, 2010 at 2:06 pm

RAY thank you and please understand that if the leaves are sprayed or soft cloth with to much they will die and fall off. make sure to not have the cloth or sponge dripping wet almost damp is what your looking for and don`t get soap water in or on the plant root system and it should work…

Ray September 5, 2010 at 1:30 pm

Hello Bart, thanks! I wiped the underside of my Goji leaves and have had no problem since. Cheers !!

Ray September 29, 2010 at 7:46 am

Here’s Ray back again! now my two plants are about 38cm tall and looking good. I heard that I should repot them in a larger pot because I’m growing them as trees (ma Mrs got too many plants and no room for gogi bushes) So Bart or anyone, what size of pot should I use??
Seeya, Ray

Bart September 29, 2010 at 9:43 am

RAY most people go only one size up not that is wrong but to build a good root system, with bush/ trees i would go at lesat four time what there in now and mix in alot of compost on bottom half and around sides when transplanting do not fill the new pot up until the plant is in and only fill to ths same dirt line with compost and potting soil mixed pack but to tightthen water the plant can with stand winter so put extra compost on top before putting out doors to face the winter month keep them on thside where they will get the most sun during winter months and in spring they will be ready for the ground and to start there ne journey with there life giving fruits contact if you have any question about the plants or what i wrote……….good luck ….Bart

norma October 15, 2010 at 1:45 am

I have learned so much from reading everyone’s comments. I live Northern Va. foothills of the Blue Ridge Mts. We had 65 days over 90 degrees F and 2 months without rain. The gojis (200) survived heat and in August began to grow again, flower and now have many berries. some plants are 3yrs, some 2 and some just field planted in June 2010. I covered them with nylon netting for bird protection and it also shaded them a bit. They are deer fenced and have 6 inches of rotted wood chips as mulch. I feed them with worm castings about 1/4 cup/ 3′ plant. I was glad to hear Rich feeds them to the birds so that more plants will sprout. Just don’t mow the weeds until July !!!! I have a catbird that carefully gets under the netting so he too can plants his own digested seeds. Thanks again for all the hints.

Rich Tompkins October 18, 2010 at 4:38 pm

Dear Friends of Goji,

- Confucius Said -

“Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.”

GOJITREES WOULD LIKE TO DO BOTH! CONTACT US AND WE WILL ‘GIVE’ YOU OUR GOJI SEED FREE & ‘TEACH’ YOU HOW TO GROW IT FOR FREE!! Warmest Regards, GojiTrees.com

Bart October 18, 2010 at 4:48 pm

Confucius did not say the jesus did at the sea with peter……..

Rich Tompkins October 18, 2010 at 9:18 pm

Hi Bart,

It is wonderful that Jesus said ““Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.”

Can you please give me the book, chapter, and verse number, so I can read this for myself? Warmest Regards, Rich

Bart Coppes October 19, 2010 at 9:08 am

Rich Thank you for your quote BUT Saddly I feel like a tool i do not remember which chapter or Verse it is, maybe you can point the wayif i`ll reread the book itself to find it thank again………. Bart

Rich Tompkins October 19, 2010 at 9:20 am

Dear Bart, you sound like a very wise man. I will also re-read the book, in search of this quote. I do know (from personal research) the quote has been attributed to Confucius. Like you Bart, Confusius was a very wise man. Good luck with your Goji garden. Warmest Regards, Rich

Rich Tompkins October 19, 2010 at 9:25 am

Oops! Sorry about my confusion on the mis-spelling of “Confucius.” I am not yet awake.:o) Rich

Jason October 19, 2010 at 10:13 am

The quatation “Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.” is commonly regarded from Lao Zi, the great phylosopher in ancient China and founder of Taoism.

Bart Coppes October 19, 2010 at 10:20 am

I am greatful to jason and to you rich to Both I say THANKS from my heart for any day that, I learn I become closer to being abetter Human being and closer to this earth which we all are from THANK YOU BOTH AGAIN Bart Coppes

Rich Tompkins October 19, 2010 at 2:16 pm

Hi Jason & Bart, Thank you for the kind words Bart, and as always, thank you Jason for clearing this up for us. Jesus, and Confucius, must have simply repeated this quote. I believe both were very wise, and, in my humble opinion, we would all be wise to follow their lead. Please visit us at
GojiTrees.com “Home Of The Free Goji Seed!” BTW Jason, I tasted my first, FRESH Goji berries this year, from my own 4 year old Goji plant, that I grew from seed. They were sweet, and delicious.:o) Warmest Regards, Rich

Alex November 14, 2010 at 2:33 am

Hey there ! Nice discussion about Goji. I’m from Romania, so please ignore my English, I am really bad at it. I am planning to grow Goji and all the advices here and the links to other informational websites are really useful. Thank you all for that. I now have a starter dome indoors with about 60 seeds planted in there. It’s been a week and no sign of activity. I put the domed tray on the heated radiator, near a window sill with plenty of natural light (not direct sunlight). The seeds were sown 1 cm below in a mixture of compost and regular potting soil found in garden shops. I mist them daily to keep the soil moist. The average temperature inside is about 30 degrees Celsius. The seeds came from fresh goji fruit harvested by a friend of mine this month. I soaked them a couple of days in warm tap water. Now, am I doing anything wrong ? Am I being impatient with the poor seeds ? Any feedback would help.

Thank you

Rich Tompkins November 15, 2010 at 9:52 am

Hi Alex, Welcome to Kenny’s “Goji Berry Update.” Can you tell us from which “cultivar” of Lycium barbarum L. was your seed harvested? Did you ‘sanitize’ your seed before planting? Were your seeds ‘specific gravity tested? For your info, a good ‘seed starter’ would have a PH of 5 or less. Avoid seed starters with ‘wood chips,’ excessive heat, and direct sunlight. If your seed is viable, and free from pathogens, germination should occur in 3 to 6 days, at 75 degrees F. Keep your soil ‘moist,’ not ‘soggy.’ Provide good air circulation, and remove the “dome” at first sign of emercence. Be sure to treat your seedlings for “damping-off disease” after emergence. “Emergence should occur in 1-3 weeks, depending on environment, sowing depth, and soil type.” Good luck growing Goji. Keep us informed of your success. We are here to help. Warmest Regards, Rich

Alex November 15, 2010 at 11:09 am

Well, that’s a whole lot of questions for a beginner like me ! :) Now, experience my total lack of professionalism:
First of all, I have NO clue about what cultivar the seeds belong to. The plant I got the seeds from belongs to a friend of mine who bought the plant from a garden shop in Romania. Although I must admit the fruit were kind of small (about 1 cm long and about 4 mm thick) and I’m really not sure putting them in the starter dome was such a good idea after all. Second of all, I didn’t sanitize the seeds because I just didn’t know I had to do that. Also, I don’t have any kind of instrument with which I can measure the PH pf the soil. The thing is I didn’t really think goji seeds need that kind of special attention. I mean, I’ve started other seeds in worse conditions and worked pretty well. So I presumed the same would happen with goji seeds. Anyway, tomorrow I will receive five 3-year old goji plants (I really don’t know which cultivar it is ) from a garden shop in my country.The seller told me I just need to plant them outside in a place that receives full sun and that’s all. Honestly, I expect some extra instructions from him. I imagine it can’t be that easy…

I can’t wait for them to make some berries…

Ironically, this summer, my wife went on a trip in the countryside and took some photos in a small cornfield near a village. She got back and told me that the cornfield was full of plants with purple flowers and semi-ripe, orange-red fruit and she showed me the photos. They were goji plants all over the cornfield. Now she doesn’t really remember what village or what cornfield that was. I can’t help thinking just how many goji cuttings I could have had now… The end of story. :)

Daryl November 24, 2010 at 10:38 am

Hey Rich and Jason. Question. I planted about 150 goji’s 10ft apart in rows that are also 10ft apart. Some of the goji’s are doing really well and some are struggling. I started them in the basement and had about 800 goji’s growing. I got the seeds from dried goji berries so I have no idea what cultivar they are. I grew them all hyroponically did many different tests on them, killed a lot of them, and later transplanted them to dirt. I ended up with about 150 goji’s left. I then later planted them in spring outside. So they just went throught their first summer. Some are 3 to 4 feet tall and some are just hanging on and are 6 inches tall. Some are a single stem and some are bush like. Anyway, my problem this summer was some type of bug put very little tiny holes all through my goji leaves. Not on every plant but most plants. I don’t have time to wipe soap all over each leaf. Do you have any suggestions?

Ren November 26, 2010 at 6:49 am

Wow great thread!

Charles of Perth November 28, 2010 at 4:33 am

Hi Daryl. Just mix a soap solution. I used a teaspoon of dishwashing liquid to a litre of water…and then spray it on. Whatever was making the holes…ceased. That said, my Goji’s are now into their second year. Some are 5-6 ft tall….and no sign of berries yet – here in our late springtime. No flowers…no nothing. Most look healthy enough…but maybe next year.

Daryl November 28, 2010 at 7:01 pm

Thanks Charles of Perth. I’m glad to hear that someone did the soap idea with a sprayer. Last time I heard someone did water and soap in a sprayer they said that it killed the Goji’s. I also heard that if the soap gets to the root system it will kill them. It’s winter here now so next year I’ll try it with the sprayer. If you haven’t got any flowers you may want to try to add some lime to the soil. I haven’t done it yet because I’m not to that stage yet but people say if you’re not getting flowers add some lime. Maybe that will help you next year. Anyway, appreciate the info.

Alex December 1, 2010 at 3:30 am

Can anyone tell me if there are considerable nutritious differences between Lycium Barbarum and Lycium Chinense ? I have a lot of seeds and twigs of Lycium Chinense that I want to grow but I really need to know the effort will not be in vain.

Thank you very much !!!

linna December 1, 2010 at 3:54 am

That’s two different names for one product only, I come from its hometown, know it very well, like growing, cutting and etc.

Rich Tompkins December 1, 2010 at 10:08 am

Lycium barbarum L. is the original, traditional, Chinese Wolfberry/Goji, and grows in the north central part of China. “Lycium Chinese” is a different “species” of plant, and grows in the south of China. There are more than 80 different species of “Lycium.” While “Lycium Chinese” appears to have some health benefits, very little research has been done on this species. A mountain of research has been done on LbL, and ONLY “Lycium barbarum L.” is appoved for “Traditional and Modern, Chinese Medicine. We highly recommend the book, written by Richard Zhang & Dr. Paul M. Gross, Entitled “Wolfberry; Natures Bounty of Nutrition & Health. This book cuts through all the hype, and presents the scientific facts on this amazing herb. You can find the book at http://www.GojiTrees.com. Happy Holidays & Warmest Regards, GojiTrees.com

Rich Tompkins December 1, 2010 at 10:20 am

One more thought….for now, Only “Ningxia Grown” LbL/Wolfberry/Goji is approved by the Chinese Government, for “Modern Medical Perscription.” Rich

Alex December 1, 2010 at 10:28 am

Hey, nice…thanks for the info, linna and Rich !

linna December 1, 2010 at 10:29 am

I born and grow up in Ningxia where is my hometown, but must say the truth not only Ningxia but also other province in China grow goji berry, including Tibeten Area.
I have garden both in Ningxia and Bibeten Area, maybe could give you advise on goji growing.

Rich Tompkins December 1, 2010 at 10:42 am

Dear Linna, thank yo so much for your advise. We need all the help we can get. You are right that the seeds, and cuttings, of gou qi zi (LbL) have been spread far and wide. You should also know that Ningxia is the best place to grow Goji, and the only Wolfberry/Goji approved by Chinese Government for “Medicine.” Rich

Jason December 1, 2010 at 2:20 pm

Linna and Rich,

I am also from Ningxia and did a little stuy on goji. Yes goji has been spread to many provinces in China for cultivation, but only Ningxia goji was approved by Agricultural Department of Chinese government for medicinal use – though many people are not aware of this fact.

Tibetan started growing goji not long ago and their plantations if any are located in low valleys. I should make clear that this is not so called ‘Tibetan goji’ or ‘Hymalayas goji’ that turns out to be hoax and commercial scam. I know there are some areas in Qinghai are growing goij and the growing conditions are pretty good due to less disease and insect problems thanks to the cool and dry environment. But the overall production from that area are minimal and neglegible. Regarding production capacity in China, Ningxia generally ranks NO1 with more than 30% of totally production.

It is very funny that some goji dealers from other regions haul their goji berries to Zhongning (goji hometown) railway station and sell their products there in the name of ‘authentic Zhongning goji’. This is what I observed last time I went back to my hometown, Zhongning.

linna December 1, 2010 at 8:13 pm

Hi Rich,
I only want to tell the truth to peopel who interest in goji, do not wish to cheat anyone like Himalaya.

Corey December 1, 2010 at 10:13 pm

So many questions about this plant. It has been the easiest and most hardy plant in my garden. Grows better and produces thousands of berries. I have at least 10 5 year old plants. All I have done is use common sense. If you can grow weeds you can grow this plant.

lex December 2, 2010 at 1:19 pm

Hey, Linna, can you please tell me if the following are one and the same plant ? And if not, are the two of them grown in Ningxia ? I can definitely see some stem/leaves differences…

http://www.guenther-blaich.de/pflseite.php?par=Lycium+chinense
http://www.viveroseljardin.com/catalog/images/Lycium%20barbarum.jpg

Thanks !

Jason December 2, 2010 at 2:32 pm

Lex,
Definately not.
Lycium Barbarum grown in Ningxia has narrow leaves while the plants shown in your pictures have broad leaves. The other difference is the fruit shape, in your picture of first link the fruits have shape of near perfect ellipse while real Lycium barbarum fruit shape is close to ellipse with a little irregualrity. I think the plant shown in the picture of your second link is more like what is grown in Ningxia. You can visit go-goji.com to view pictures of goji grown in Ningxia.

Lex December 3, 2010 at 12:13 am

I thought so myself. I mean, I physically saw the two plants in the botanical garden. They were both generically labeled “Goji”, but below this, on one was written Lycium barbarum and on the other one Lycium Chinense. Then it struck me that there might be two different goji plants. The thing is a lot of pages on the internet say that LB and LC are one and the same, but now I can really tell the difference. I was wondering if the two species are similar in nutrients.

Rich Tompkins December 3, 2010 at 10:09 am

Hey Goji Friends, The confusion may lie, in all the lies that have been told about this herb, and the fact that there are more than 80 different species of “Lycium”, as well as numerous “cultivars” (hybrids) growing around the world. There are more than 40 species of Lycium in China alone. Some Lycium is poisonous. Not all “wolfberry” is Goji. FYI, LC has great nutritional value. However, LBL has a much higher concentration of nutrients, and antioxidants, and is the only Lycium used, and perscribed, by modern (and ancient) medical science. To help clear up the confusion, please visit GojiTrees.com. Ask us about our FREE ‘Da Ma Ye’ (Lycium barbarum) Goji Seed, hand delivered to us by Richard Zhang, from the Zhongning Province of Ningxia China. ‘Da Ma Ye’ is the Original, Ancient, Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM). Come help us spread health, prosperty, peace, and “True Goji” world wide. Warmest Regards

Crystal December 8, 2010 at 9:15 pm

Is anyone growing them to sell or for your own personal consumption. What would be a fair minimum amount of plants to grow if you wanted to sell berries commercially? Any idea?

linna December 9, 2010 at 6:06 am

I can send some goji plant to you, and you can harvest on first year, but cost maybe quite high, if personal consumpting 5 would be enough.

Daryl December 10, 2010 at 9:41 am

You have some for sale Linna? What kinda are they? how about you Jason? Do you have any of your high end goji plants grown and ready to sell? Or do you just sell the seeds?

linna December 13, 2010 at 8:23 am

Hi Daryl,
I have plant could send to you, which can be harvest on first year you grow it, but freight and testing cost will be very high.

Shaunna Gunderson April 27, 2011 at 7:21 pm

Hey everyone…
I just received my Goji plant:)) Kind of nervous about planting it reading all these blogs about the plant. I live in a four season state thankfully so I am good there. My plant is about 6″ or 7″ tall and looks a little tired. I promptly watered it and its sitting in the shade so far. I havent planted it yet because I am trying to decide where the perfect spot is. What I don’t want to do is have to move it around the yard when I find that it doesn’t like where it’s at. The poor thing probably wouldn’t survive. I got my plant from GURNEYS in Lewisburg, OH. I ordered it about a month or so ago, but they don’t send the plants until its the most prime time for planting within the zone you live in. I paid $6.50. Just thought I would pass that on. So, I keep looking at my Goji as I type, waiting for it to magically come out of it’s tired state. Nothing yet. Hoping tomorrow it will look better. I think I will take it to the garage where I have a grow light going for the Bouganvillia that I am anxiously waiting for it to blossom. It’s got buds all over now so it won’t be long:)) GURNEYS puts the plant in whats called a bio-pot that you plant directly in the ground with the plant. That’s how they ship it in a box with air holes and plastic air filled pillows. I’m thinking I will put it in a gallon pot for a bit and test areas of the back yard to see where it prefers to hang out.

Shaunna Gunderson April 27, 2011 at 7:24 pm

GURNEYS also sends a booklet about the plant. What it likes and doesn’t like. appropriate ways to plant and handle and when to plant based on your zone.

Alex April 28, 2011 at 12:49 pm

Hey Shaunna ! I just wanted to tell you not to worry about the Goji plant, it’s a very resilient one. Yours is going to be just fine, just plant it wherever you like. I experimented with these plants and I can assure you there is absolutely nothing to worry about. :)
Some 3 month-old seedlings of mine: http://sentiklos.sunphoto.ro/Goji_si_Gynostemma_2011

Don’t mind the language, it’s Romanian. :)

Can you send me the booklet about the plant ? sentiklos@yahoo.com Thanks and good luck with planting the little Goji !

Rich May 10, 2011 at 9:03 pm

Hi Goji Friends, which cultivar of Goji are you growing?

I know that La Verne Nursery sells the Da Ma Ye Cultivar. I understand Da Ma Ye is the Heirloom plant.

Does anyone know which “cultivar” of Goji does GURNEYS grow?

DougHarmon May 26, 2011 at 1:47 am

Thanks for the article! I So look forward to growing some Goji Goodness.

Alex June 27, 2011 at 9:53 am

Hello ! I found very useful information on this website and it really helps me on my quest of discovering Goji. The thing is recently I found some bushes around a village nearby that look like Goji. I haven’t got so much experience in recognizing Goji, so I need some opinions. Below you have some links to some photos I took when I found the plants.
I would really appreciate some help. :)

http://sentiklos.sunphoto.ro/Goji_15_iunie_2011
http://s1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee381/Costin_Alex/Goji%2015%20iunie%202011/

These are photos taken by me on june 15th.

Thank you very much !

Tom Brueggen July 6, 2011 at 9:52 pm

I bought a Goji plant from Gurneys Seed Catalog not knowing what it was, other than on sale. I don’t know what strain or breed it is, just a Goji berry. I have it potted in general potting soil and it seems to be surviving, but that’s about all. I was wondering if there was anything I could do to stimulate the growth. I currently have it in my plant room where it gets about 4 hours of direct sun a day, but is warm all the time (Houston, TX).
I read further up in this forum (very informative might I add) that they like good compost and worm castings, but also that I could urinate on them or use seawater. Never before had I even considered saltwater on any plant, and I insist that my wife not come close to the garden with the saltwater from her fish tank. I’ll try anything I suppose, but I know of at least one spot outside my childhood bedroom where grass still doesn’t grow, and I haven’t lived there for 5 years :) I suppose all things in moderation is the motto here.
In an effort not to be long-winded, let me re-state my basic question. Is there anything I can do to aid the little guy(s) in growing a little faster? I have some compost of primarily deciduous tree leaves that I chopped up with the lawnmower, and have been rotting down for about 5 months. Would it be worth re-potting them in a better blend of compost and potting soil? Or is there a simple topical solution? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Shaunna Gunderson July 7, 2011 at 9:17 am

I too bought the goji from Gurney….Mine didn’t do much for awhile either but its finally growing and doubled in size since I’ve had it. Be patient….which if you are like me, thats not an easy thing to do. There is so much satisfaction in watching our plants grow and thrive yeah? Seems like it was at least a month and a half before it did anything at all but I was just glad it wasn’t dying:) I didn’t use anything extraordinary for soil. Just regular potting mix. It’s doing great! Good luck

Rich Tompkins July 7, 2011 at 10:13 am

Please tell us WHICH CULTIVAR ARE YOU GROWING?

Shaunna Gunderson July 7, 2011 at 4:57 pm

Hmmm…..not sure. I would have to see if I can find it. Will let you know:)

Tom Brueggen July 8, 2011 at 7:41 am

Gurneys’ website does not specify what cultivar it is, just calls it the Goji Berry.
http://gurneys.com/goji-berry/p/75314/

Rich Tompkins July 8, 2011 at 7:50 am

We have discovered that “Da Ma Ye GouQi Zi” is the “Heirloom Cultivar.

Jason July 8, 2011 at 8:34 am

Rich,
‘Da Ma Ye’ is one of cultivars grown in Ningxia and some other provinces for many years, however there are a lot of cousins in Lycium Barbarum family. Seeds extracted from ‘Da ma ye’ berries do not necessarily turn to ‘Da ma ye’ seedlings. There are many unknown cultivars. It is hard to identify a specific cultivar without a complete phenotypical study.

Rich Tompkins July 8, 2011 at 9:07 am

Dear Jason, Thank you for your invaluable contributions.. As you know, in the beautiful Mandarin language, the word “Da” means “Oldest or Eldest”. This is the definition of “Heirloom”. As. You also know, there will always be “mutations”. “You will know them by their FRUIT”.

Rich Tompkins July 8, 2011 at 9:21 am

Dear Jason, The beauty, and value of our Lyceum barbarum, is that both are being grown from a “known cultivar”.

Alex July 8, 2011 at 9:53 am

Hey Rich and Jason, do you have cuttings of NQ1 and/or Da Ma Ye cultivars for sale ?

Christian July 8, 2011 at 2:02 pm

Hi,

I have a few goji berry plants. This is the first season I planted them. They were about one year old when I put them in the ground a few months ago. I noticed dozens of (what look like) little goji berry plants growing all around them. I looked all over my yard and can’t find a similar looking weed. They look just like mini-goiji berry plants.

My questions are:

1. Is this just a weed that looks like my goji berry plant?

2. If it’s not a weed, then I’m worried that the goji will grow like crazy all over the place and take over. What should I do?

Thanks,

Christian

Jason July 8, 2011 at 2:27 pm

I don’t have NQ1 or Da Ma Ye for sale now. But I do have a couple of plants grown from NQ-1 seeds. As I mentioned I don’t know the cultivar. There are big variations among the next generation if growing goji using seeds.

Corey July 8, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Jason July 8, 2011 at 4:59 pm

I don’t want to offend anyone, but just for your information – goji does not grow in Himalayan/Tibetan regions. Himalayan goji is just a marketing scam. Goji primarily grow in Ningxia and later the cultivation spread to adjacent provinces. Please see go-goji.com for more information.

Corey July 8, 2011 at 6:15 pm

I am offended. Ha ha. The seeds I posted above are those that I have been growing. They are lycium barbarum. I posted them for that reason not because they say himalayan.

Man you guys are getting way too serious about goji berries and taking all the fun out of it.

Shaunna Gunderson July 10, 2011 at 1:14 am

I too read about the scam online. I guess I could call Gurney’s and ask what type they are. Now I am curious:) I was reading an old (emphasis on old) book about pests on our plants. I have heard about using a little soap with water and spraying the plant to rid of bugs, but this book said to take 10 drops of bio degradable dish detergent to a gallon of room temperature water and use that to ward against pests and also to rid your plants of pests that are already present. Thought I would throw that out there. I never thought of doing that. My Goji is still in a gallon planting bucket because i still cant decide if it’s better in full sun or morning sun only. I’m in Boise Idaho. Thoughts? Ideas?

Corey July 10, 2011 at 2:38 am

I have used the soap recipe on other plants and I works well. I’m curious about the pests you are getting on the goji as I have never had any pest issues. Well I take that back, wasps tend to eat my berries.

Gojis want full sun all day long. Those I I’ve grown in shaded areas do not do as well as those grown in full sun. I am in salt lake city and the gojis seem to do amazing here.

Jason July 10, 2011 at 1:47 pm

Shanunna,
It all depends where you are. If you grow goji in a warm and humid environment, diseasea and pest should your key concern. Even in dry environment goji can be subject to pest attack. If you don’t what use commerical chemicals, try garlic solution, it worked to control pests in my goji garden pretty well,.
Jason

Shaunna Gunderson July 10, 2011 at 11:56 pm

Jason,
How much garlic to water do you use? I have a large tub of minced garlic in some sort of juice…..for cooking of course:)

Shaunna Gunderson July 11, 2011 at 10:26 am

hey all!
Found this link to a care plan for the Goji. Thought you all might be interested :)) There’s a site too for free Goji seeds. I think I will try my hand at growing it by seed:)

Shaunna Gunderson July 11, 2011 at 10:26 am

OOPS! Forgot to add the link hahaha :)
http://www.gojitrees.com/GojiGrowing.pdf

Tom Brueggen July 11, 2011 at 1:34 pm

Thanks for the info Shaunna. I put my Goji plant (maybe 3 inches tall) under a grow light to try and boost it a little. I have it in my greenhouse in Houston, TX which stays about 90 degrees during the day and drops to 85 at night. It still has not shown much growth in a month.
I feel like I have read that the younger plants may not handle the sun as well which makes sense. But I am wondering if I move out into the yard where it will get natural sun if it will do better. I am just afraid it might be too much since in the sun it will be at least 100 degrees.
I have been dosing it with a liquid root booster as long as it is a little plant. I may try a light dose of balanced fertilizer to see if I can boost growth.

Shaunna Gunderson July 12, 2011 at 8:25 am

Tom, I know what you mean about the sun and the full heat of it. It hasn’t hit 100 here in Boise yet but I am still a little leery of tossing it into the sun God’s :)) It is now, as of yesterday, but I am watching it really really close to see what it’s reaction is. I’m learning too…..but did find that link quite useful:) Theres a place that offers free goji seeds that is Lyceum Barbarum. So I am going to try growing them from seed next just for fun:)

Alex July 16, 2011 at 4:13 pm

At the end of may, I just threw some goji seeds in my back yard to test germination rate and now I have some 1-foot tall (and still growing bushy) goji plants. And I haven’t watered them a single drop of water. I just wanted to see how nature handles them. So far, so good. I still recommend taking cuttings from a good cultivar, though. It’s the easiest and safest method of propagation I’ve tried this far.

I would like an experienced opinion on these plants, please:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sentiklos/sets/
http://community.webshots.com/user/Sentiklos
http://s1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee381/Costin_Alex/

pete July 25, 2011 at 9:22 pm

hi everybody i have not pdsted for a while. i am growing mine in reno,nv. i couldnt find anybody around here that ever grew them so i spent a few years of failure before i have perfected it. i start the seeds inside in jan. i have built a little grow room in my garage with grow lights and foil sides i put them in this when i put the seedlings in individual 4×4 pots i leave the grow lights on 24/7 over the next winter. these plants stay in there for over a year .in mid may set them in partial shade outside for a month they might look weak but will come back nicely. i have built raised beds filling them 18 inches high with a triple mix mostly sandy loom, mushroom composte , and steer manure this has good drainage and i have a drip system 2 gph every other day for 8 min. the ones i started two yers ago feb. are 15ft. tall and i have hundreds of huge sweet gogi berrys i use fish fertilizer 2 tablespoons per gallon every three weeks . hoped this helps some of you so you dont have lots of failures like myself over 5 years of experments . pete

pete July 25, 2011 at 9:31 pm

also whie they are inside dont let them dry out but dont over water. they will go dormant for a few months even under these conditions so dont think their dead pete

cyril lichtensteiger July 30, 2011 at 12:58 pm

Please contact me when you are ready to ship goji plants.
I will order two, Staten Island NY

Shira Nahari July 31, 2011 at 1:09 am

This is a marvelous forum. Thanks to everyone who has shared such valuable information. I am about to plant my first Gojis and am using dried seeds and will just be patient!

BTW, re: “Give a man a fish and he won’t starve for a day. Teach a man how to fish and he won’t starve for his entire life.” This is a proverb and is not found in the bible.
Regrettably, the origin of this quote is unknown, although it is generally cited as being Chinese. Over the years, the quote has been misattributed to Confucius, Lao Tzu, Laozi, and Guan Zhong.
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_origin_of_the_quote_-_Give_a_man_a_fish_and_he_eats_for_a_day_teach_a_man_to_fish_and_he_can_feed_himself_for_life#ixzz1Tf0F5iCq

Jerry S August 7, 2011 at 6:41 am

Heres my 2 cents. I bought 4 from Gurneys. They were very small and looked dead. I moved them in 6 inch pots and waited until fall to plant. In the summer before I transplanted them, I had them on my deck. In one afternoon my wife seen a small groundhog eat most of the leaves. This year all are growong very well, 2 of them are about 5ft tall and all are getting ready to fruit. All I did was plant them in average soil and kept the watered. I did mulch them with compost. The plants a very “viney”. I need to figure out how to best support them.

Donald Daugs August 7, 2011 at 7:51 pm

How well goji plants do is very dependent on variety. The Phoenix Tears variety does well zones 3-10, but the Chinese plants grown from seed do not produce much fruit here in Utah and do not cope will with minus 30 degree winters. See Aug. issue of Acres magazine for an excelent article on growing goji.

Rich Tompkins August 10, 2011 at 10:35 am

Dear Goji Friends,

The Mandarin word “Zi”, in “GouQi Zi”, refers to the “Goji Seed”, and “ALL” that is PRODUCED, from the “SEED” of the Goji”. The Powerful MEDICINE of the GouQi Zi, of antiquity, was, and is, derived from the WHOLE Goji plant. This includes the leaves, flowers, berries, seed, and the mighty “TAP ROOT of the Goji”. The WHOLE Plant is the “Zi”. The ‘Tap Root’ is only one part of the GouQi “Zi”. However, to date, the powerful, cancer fighting nutrient, “Germanium”, is found ONLY in the Goji “Tap Root”. The “Tap Root” is the “Primary Collector” of many other vitally important, medicinal minerals, and nutrients, found in GouQi Zi. DON’T BE FOOLED! ROOTED CUTTINGS DO NOT PRODUCE A “TAP ROOT”. ONLY “ZI” CAN PRODUCE “GOUQI ZI”. Anything else is a ‘MUTATION”. A “Goji” without a “Tap Root,” is Yen, without Yang. Like a house built on the sand. It is “incomplete”. It has no foundation. It is diminished in strength (medicinally), and it will not stand for long. This kind of plant will “very quickly” produce a “mutated” form of “berry”, for a very short period of time. But, without the “Tap Root”, it will never produce a GouQi Zi (Heirloom Wolfberry)! Only by patiently “Nursing” the “True & Honest Goji “Shi” can we ever hope to produce “True and Honest ” GouQi Zi”. FYI, Gurney’s is using OUR GOJI PICTURE to promote their ?. Ask Gurney’s “which cultivar” they are growing. Most Goji Grower’s, in the U.S., have no idea what ‘mutation”, or “cultivar”, they are growing. Gurney’s is no exception. Help us restore the integrity of this “Ancient Chinese Treasure.” Contact us for FREE Heirloom Goji Seed. Best Wishes & Warmest Regards, Franklin (Rich) Tompkins

pete August 11, 2011 at 4:37 pm

hi rich: i noticed your picture on your website and i was wondering how you stop the birds from eating them. growing them like that. so far thats my only problem lately thanks

Rich Tompkins August 11, 2011 at 5:07 pm

Hi Pete, I don’t even try to stop my birds from eating my Goji anymore. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. The fact is, every living creature on Earth loves to eat my Goji, so I just buy extra Goji berries, and Share them with everyone .:o)

Alex August 15, 2011 at 12:57 pm

I don’t want to brag, I’m just really happy: some of my goji plants, obtained from seeds this spring, have dozens of flowers and fruit. Weren’t they suppose to be like this after 2-3 years ?

Jason August 15, 2011 at 4:50 pm

Interesting. Where do you live and where did you obtain your seeds?
Pete, I use bird net to keep birds out of my goji garden. I hardly harvested any goji berries in June due to birds invasion.

Alex August 15, 2011 at 10:37 pm

I live in Romania ( SE Europe ) and the seeds are from some dry fruit I bought from a local herbal shop. On the bag it says the fruit are imported from China. And that’s about it.

Ray August 17, 2011 at 12:12 pm

Hi all you Goji growers
I have a Goji ‘tree’ grown from seed, 2 years old and about three feet tall. The plant looks quite healthy. I live in Scotland, UK where the weather is unpredictable. Can anyone out there please advise my as to when I should prune my tree and give me tips about the treatment needed over the (maybe) harsh winter conditions ?
My thanks to anyone who can help !!

Jason August 17, 2011 at 4:54 pm

Ray,
There are prunning tips on go-goji.com at ‘goji knowledge base’ section. Goji is a very hardy plant and I don’t think it needs extra protection in your environment. If you still want to add some protection, put some mulch before winter to protect the roots.
Jason

Ray August 18, 2011 at 2:33 am

Hi Jason
Thanks so much for your swift reply ! I will go to ‘go-goji.com’ and see what the ‘goji knowledge base’ has to say. Also the tip about mulch is very much appreciated. Do you live in the UK too ?
Anyway thanks again.
Best Regards
Ray

Gardener Jonathan August 18, 2011 at 12:27 pm

Wow, this is very informational topics here….I have learned a lot especially about growing goji berry!

Corey August 18, 2011 at 1:44 pm

Just an idea for using the berries. Last year I made jalapeño goji jelly for use on just about any meat or with crackers and cream cheese.

Alex August 20, 2011 at 1:36 pm

Hey, I need some help with this one. Can anyone tell me if these are GOJI plants ? Please, I need to know if they are edible or not, because lots of people all over the country say the plants in my photos are considered to be poisonous.
Here is a link to the photos:
http://sentiklos.sunphoto.ro/Goji_20_august_2011

Chris August 21, 2011 at 12:57 pm

I purchased a Brown Turkey Fig Tree six weeks ago. It has over 20 figs on it. How long does it take for the figs to ripen? Also if I take a fig off the tree before it gets soft will it ripen on its own. Any recomendations would be appreciated.
Chris

Kenny Point August 23, 2011 at 8:13 am

Hi Chris, it varies a lot depending on the tree and weather conditions but figs in general tend to ripen very slowly. They do not ripen properly for me after they are removed from the tree.

Alex August 27, 2011 at 12:57 pm

I want to start some goji berry plants soon. I was just wondering if I should start them indoors and them transplant them next spring OR sow them directly outside when the weather gets adequate next year.
Question: Does starting plants indoors and keeping them in containers affect in any way the growth of the tap root ?

Corey August 27, 2011 at 1:37 pm

I have started a lot of mine indoors but make sure to harden them off slowly. Young goji’s need plenty of sun, water, and well drained soil to thrive. I would suggest building a small cold frame and start them there to get the sun they require.

Alex August 28, 2011 at 12:24 am

My last year’s gojis are doing just fine after transplanting them outside this May. They even have a lot of flowers and fruit. I started them in december, last year, in long plastic mini-nurseries placed on the room heaters. Germinated really fast (aprox. 3-4 days) and then i moved them under daylight fluorescent lamps, placed 1-2 cm above the seedlings. They grew extremely fast and now they’re about 1,5 – 2 metres high, outside, in the garden.

Nina August 30, 2011 at 1:45 pm

I am a new gojiberry follower. Is the only difference in a tree and a bush in the pruning? I planted mine in July after purchase from a local shop and in the last month it has grown at least a foot and is getting pretty tall with lots of leaves but very long and skinny. Should I try to shape it into something or just wait and see what is going to happen? I am in the Buffalo, NY area so it will be a long winter which makes me think maybe spring time will tell me what to do? Any advice or tips would be greatly appreciated.

Alex September 2, 2011 at 5:32 am

@Nina
I would sugest that you remove the growing tip of the plant at the height you desire, thus turning it to bush rather than to tree. I did it like this with my goji plants and now they’re very bushy, with plenty of flowers and fruit. You can find valuable information about goji pruning on http://www.go-goji.com.
Hope this helped.

Ruth H. September 3, 2011 at 3:04 pm

You can also find very good pruning options at:
http://www.gojitrees.com/gojipruninginstruction.htm :)

Bart Coppes October 3, 2011 at 10:30 pm

I just relocated back to Florida and have been doing some shopping around for seeds and plants Bought some goji Berries seeds and will plant soon BUT my Question is where to buy banana trees. and kiwi?trees i know the people here at this site care and I have made a few hopefully good comments to others can anyone help….Please reply to: bartoncoppes@yahoo.com with banana tree growers in the state of florida or within 200miles of homosassa,fl….thanks again for all your past help…Bart Coppes

granadainfo December 16, 2011 at 8:57 pm

I have a piece of land at 1300 metres above sea level in the province of Granada Spain. I have planted about 35 goji berry bushes grown from seed. The conditions should be ideal for Goji berries but they did not like the hot summer and now that the frosts have started they look as if they are dead. Let’s hope that they are just dormant. I gave a plant from the same batch to a friend who lives on the coast at Estepona and it had berries last summer. What can we learn from this? Maybe Goji berries don’t like harsh conditions? They will bear fruit very quickly if they are happy.

mike December 17, 2011 at 6:09 pm

Hi,

I have found this thread fascinating.

I would like to correct some misinformation regarding urine and gardens that Polninnia was spreading about earlier in the thread. While it is true a plant could be harmed by too much urine, this is for the same reason it could be harmed by too much commercial fertilizer. Polninnia, there have been scientific studies showing that a combination of human urine and wood ashes supply everything most vegetable gardens would need. One study showed this combination out-performing commercial fertilizers. In the studies, urine was diluted with water to give wider coverage and prevent burning. I would advise you to read the following before leaving another trail of misinformed opinions:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=human-urine-is-an-effective-fertilizer

To other posters: like Rod, I have used dilute urine in the garden with great success. It can also be used to activate or enrich a compost pile. I have had no problems and it works quite well. Studies have shown that one person’s urine output of one week, along with ashes, is enough for a 100 sq. foot garden, depending on rainfall dilution and other factors. It does not make a stinky garden. Manures make a much more pungent smell for a short time and we all love manures in the garden.

Molninnia, your observations of brown spots in your lawn does not constitute a scientific study. It just shows that if a section of grass gets over-fertilized it will die. Sprinkle pure fertilizer from the package on the lawn and you will see the same brown spots. Also, just because you have NOT heard something on your radio garden show does not mean that the thing does NOT exist. Read the study above to see what I mean by that. And, I was struggling to understand your idea that if “urine was effective, the campuses would be lush jungles”. Did you attend or work at a college where everyone urinates in public on the lawns? I’ve never been on a campus where this was standard practice. They have restrooms. On the other hand, all jungle and forest animals and birds urinate or defecate on the soil. All day long. And the jungles are lush, see? Are you going to tell the wild pigs and squirrels, too, that “their urine and feces belongs in the toilet”?

What you do not understand is that urine placed at the base of a plant does not “make it to the rivers”. It is transformed by the plant and by soil microbes. In no time at all it is no longer urine. In the same way that coffee grounds or banana peels placed around plants do not make it the oceans. Now: You are correct that if if the urination is to be done INSIDE the house, then the urine does belong in the toilet. You should not urinate or defecate outside of the toilet if you are in the house. It should not go on the floor or around the bed or eating areas.

And here’s some advice: If you wish so badly that someone spend their time and money sending you a goji cutting, you should not tell someone that was kind to you, “you are the only one that responded to my request ;-( ” You probably turned off potential donors with that angry wink face.

Alex December 18, 2011 at 3:35 pm

@granadainfo:

Don’t worry about the harsh conditions. My goji plants are doing really well in an area where in winter the temperature is about -13 F(-25 celsius) and in the summer, around 95-100 F (35-40 celsius). In my country, Lycium Barbarum is considered an invasive specie. Every area in my Country that I visited is populated with Goji plants. I took cuttings from wild Goji plants and grown them in my garden. The result was more and bigger fruit than the wild plants.

David August 11, 2012 at 11:50 pm

The followings are my “experience” in growing goji:
(1) I live in central Canada where winter temperature can dip to -30 C. Goji can be grown here.
(2) I have three or four varieties, fruit shape: round, long with pointed tip, and long with rounded tip. I also have a plant with big leaves.
(3) The bird finch likes to feast on the leaves. I have two trees which were striped bare (no leaf) in the spring. I have no choice but to cover the entire tree with plastic netting. They don’t bother with the fruits though.
(4) The fruit is mildly sweet with after taste. This after-taste is gone after cooking; the fruit also changes from red to orange from heat.
(5) I make goji jam: put the berries in the blender, pour into a fine sieve to remove seeds, add some sugar and bring to boil. The seeds are used to grow sprout, very much like alfalfa sprout. I freeze some fruits for use in winter, such as for making goji-blue berry pie, goji muffin, etc.
(6) I propagate goji plants mainly from cuttings: take young branches (best from current year’s growth), cut into sections about 3 to 4 nods length, seal the top end with wax, dip the bottom part in willow juice for an hour or two, plant them in a tray filled with potting soil, put the tray under a tree with partial shade. After 7-10 days, bud will come out from the nod; 2 to 3 weeks, root will grow, not necessarily from the nod. Feed with water soluble fertilizer.

Charles of Perth September 30, 2012 at 12:31 am

Have about twenty goji bushes now. Most are doing fine. Have had a couple casualties this winter with the heavy rain. Anyway, managed to get a couple thousand berries last year and expect more this year. They are 6-10 feet tall…and still pretty spindly.
Can confirm that cooked goji’s are great. Went to a Chinese friend’s wedding in Singapore last week and one of the many dishes at the post-wedding dinner was a plate of assorted vegetables heavily sprinkled with cooked gojis. Tasted wonderful. Was told they were steamed. Anyway, I’m a convert….from now on the harvest is getting cooked.

Charles of Perth December 24, 2012 at 10:22 pm

Had, and am still having a good harvest this year. Much improved on last year. Oddly, one plant can be extremely productive (almost covered in berries), while its adjacent plants, a meter or two away….have one-tenth the berries. Same feeding and watering regime….so I’m at a loss to figure out the reason in the huge variation. Anyway, can’t complain. By the way, steamed goji berries sprinkled on a summer salad are magic….wonderful addition. Anyway, pretty happy with the gojis and glad I persevered with them. Snails like them even more than I do, so keep a few pellets around the base….Pretty tough plants though….and can be very prolific.

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